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Old May 27, 2013 | 06:13 PM
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I hope you plan on running a proper intake to the turbos....
Don't drive in the rain and avoid puddles, intake looks good to me.
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Old May 27, 2013 | 06:21 PM
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this is how we do it on the camaros as well and we had no issues with. kit will come with skid plate and filter socks as well.
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Old May 27, 2013 | 06:41 PM
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Interesting. What size turbos?
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Old May 27, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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looks sick... now coviering those intakes would be key, there is another member that is doing a TWINcharged deal, i dont know if thats what you got going on here but he had his mounted on the back by the trunk... i might post some of those pics for you guys to see

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Old May 27, 2013 | 08:06 PM
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Even in the pouring rain that'll be fine. Just don't drive through 30cm of standing water ..thatd be an expensive mistake
Frequent filter maintenance would be smart, as would a splash guard but I'm sure they're more than aware of all that. Nice work!!!
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Old May 27, 2013 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir-Boost-a-Lot
Even in the pouring rain that'll be fine. Just don't drive through 30cm of standing water ..thatd be an expensive mistake
Frequent filter maintenance would be smart, as would a splash guard but I'm sure they're more than aware of all that. Nice work!!!
I completely agree. I had the same open filter set up on my Turbo Night Rod. Got caught in the rain a few times and no issues. But we will take all precautions :-)
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Old May 28, 2013 | 07:35 AM
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so how do you plan to protect the filter when your out on the interstate late at nite and run across a big rig recap in the highway? you wont know if it rips the filter off or not and would be ingesting debris and everything else until you check it. just not a smart place to run the filter
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Old May 28, 2013 | 07:56 AM
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it will probably have a skid plate of some sort, like the one on the camaro
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Old May 28, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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That probably doesn't happen very frequently.
However in the hypothetical occurrence that you are unable to avoid this future tire shrapnel that doesn't yet exist,you'ld have to exercise some critical thinking skills and pull over to check for damage.

In this yet unborn situation, If the tire that was fated for his air filter does indeed completely rip the filter off the compressor housing.....


..... I guess you call a tow truck.

Seriously though, nothing is idiot proof not even a completely stock car. Modifications sometimes make for some compromise and when driving a severely modified car you need an elevated level of awareness in regards to both the mechanicals of the car and the surrounding traffic/obstacles.

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so how do you plan to protect the filter when your out on the interstate late at nite and run across a big rig recap in the highway? you wont know if it rips the filter off or not and would be ingesting debris and everything else until you check it. just not a smart place to run the filter
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Old May 28, 2013 | 09:19 AM
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I am just surprised they could not find a spot for the turbos closer to / in the engine bay and run proper intakes.

As for the filters being "fine" where they are - to each his own...

Either way, it should be a blast to drive! Have fun and be safe .
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Old May 28, 2013 | 09:20 AM
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there is no way to mount turbos on top without extensive modification/relocation
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Old May 28, 2013 | 10:53 AM
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Interesting. What size turbos?
looks like a garrett tb2803
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Old May 28, 2013 | 10:58 AM
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looks like a garrett tb2803
No sir :-) More info will be given in another week. More specific details.
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Old May 28, 2013 | 11:15 AM
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No sir :-) More info will be given in another week. More specific details.
shot in the dark ,saw the 2803 stamping and thought you were running what some of the nissan skyline guys were running
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Old May 28, 2013 | 11:37 AM
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Old May 28, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir-Boost-a-Lot
That probably doesn't happen very frequently.
However in the hypothetical occurrence that you are unable to avoid this future tire shrapnel that doesn't yet exist,you'ld have to exercise some critical thinking skills and pull over to check for damage.

In this yet unborn situation, If the tire that was fated for his air filter does indeed completely rip the filter off the compressor housing.....


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Seriously though, nothing is idiot proof not even a completely stock car. Modifications sometimes make for some compromise and when driving a severely modified car you need an elevated level of awareness in regards to both the mechanicals of the car and the surrounding traffic/obstacles.
with over 2 million miles under my belt i can you with absolute certainty that the shrapnel does exist. it doesnt have to rip the filter off but merely rip the filter so it has an opening allowing debris to enter the turbo and the engine.
doing 100 miles an hr or more in the dark while so many of you run mexico at night the possibility is better than you think. by the time you see a black object at night its to late you have run it over.
how much debris needs to be ingested by a turbo to ruin it? not much. just my .02 i have twin turbos mounted very low and no way i would put a filter underneath a car when there are better options
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Old May 28, 2013 | 12:44 PM
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How did you run the drain setup? I assume you have an oil assist pump to get the drain back to the pan?
Looks good man. I love a snailed setup.
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Old May 28, 2013 | 01:10 PM
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We should change the title of this thread to:

E55 rear mount turbo project

I applaud the innovation, but I was hopefull those blowers would have landed in the bay.

Good Luck!
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Old May 28, 2013 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 320 dreamer
with over 2 million miles under my belt i can you with absolute certainty that the shrapnel does exist. it doesnt have to rip the filter off but merely rip the filter so it has an opening allowing debris to enter the turbo and the engine.
doing 100 miles an hr or more in the dark while so many of you run mexico at night the possibility is better than you think. by the time you see a black object at night its to late you have run it over.
how much debris needs to be ingested by a turbo to ruin it? not much. just my .02 i have twin turbos mounted very low and no way i would put a filter underneath a car when there are better options
I see where you're coming from. In my younger days I ran my turbocharge vehicles without filter all the time. Granted they are not low mounted like this set up, but again it's only an intake/filter, something easily fix down the road. The main thing right now is to get this beast running.
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Old May 28, 2013 | 01:34 PM
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How did you run the drain setup? I assume you have an oil assist pump to get the drain back to the pan?
Looks good man. I love a snailed setup.
That's going to need a scavenge for sure

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with over 2 million miles under my belt i can you with absolute certainty that the shrapnel does exist. it doesnt have to rip the filter off but merely rip the filter so it has an opening allowing debris to enter the turbo and the engine.
doing 100 miles an hr or more in the dark while so many of you run mexico at night the possibility is better than you think. by the time you see a black object at night its to late you have run it over.
how much debris needs to be ingested by a turbo to ruin it? not much. just my .02 i have twin turbos mounted very low and no way i would put a filter underneath a car when there are better options
Well you sound like a well traveled motorsports veteran like myself and I respect your opinions. Different people have different levels of risk aversion, and in my opinion highly modified vehicles aren't for the averse Me personally I'm fairly apathetic unless it's my DD, I wouldn't do anything crazy to something that was my only car.

Now me 15+ years ago... That's a different story
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Old May 28, 2013 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir-Boost-a-Lot
Well you sound like a well traveled motorsports veteran like myself and I respect your opinions. Different people have different levels of risk aversion, and in my opinion highly modified vehicles aren't for the averse Me personally I'm fairly apathetic unless it's my DD, I wouldn't do anything crazy to something that was my only car.

Now me 15+ years ago... That's a different story
just considering the cost. new close tolerance turbos run approx 2500$ each , cost of ingesting a small piece of steel from a recap into the engine and causing a fatal event of the engine can run 15 to 20k$ for a fully built engine.
a cheap 70k mileage motor for my turbo porsche runs 15k$ minimun. add 30k for a full build and the cost of ingesting debris can be staggering.
i was thinking maybe a circular sheetmetal shield with an open front could be fabbed to protect the filter while letting the air in. maybe louver it for some added strength and airflow
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Old May 28, 2013 | 01:41 PM
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Cant wait to see this beast at Timmayfest and hope it is finished! I will run down to Mexico with you for some runs against the corn dog if you want
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Cant wait to see this beast at Timmayfest and hope it is finished! I will run down to Mexico with you for some runs against the corn dog if you want
sadly craig it is looking like i may be more of a spectator than a racer. 2 weeks before timmayfest and im still chasing codes that are killing my power.
if i cant get it lined out by the weekend i may be just cruising around watching everyone else have fun
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I hope you get your car fixed Steve, but I was refering to running the IPS TT E55.

I would love to see their monster role out on the top end like I know twins love to do.
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Yeah I'm with you on the shields. I was thinking some coarse stainless mesh made into a cover might work for him to keep anything catastrophic at distance.
The turbos they're using aren't that much, you can get 2 for less than $2500 and you'ld have to run them in some gnarly conditions for extended time to cause damage that would be noticeable. My main concern would be one applicable to your P car as well, the lack of an iron sleeve in the block. Sandy Debris getting into the intake will gouge the soft alusil bore to death in no time, and a new block is either 15k+ from MB, a whole engine swap from a salvage car, or waiting months for a custom iron sleeve engine to get built.

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just considering the cost. new close tolerance turbos run approx 2500$ each , cost of ingesting a small piece of steel from a recap into the engine and causing a fatal event of the engine can run 15 to 20k$ for a fully built engine.
a cheap 70k mileage motor for my turbo porsche runs 15k$ minimun. add 30k for a full build and the cost of ingesting debris can be staggering.
i was thinking maybe a circular sheetmetal shield with an open front could be fabbed to protect the filter while letting the air in. maybe louver it for some added strength and airflow
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