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Old 04-20-2013, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOmega
N/A M113's make more than that. I've broken the tires loose @ 70 easily. 300whp wont do that.
& the inside 2"-3" of rear tires have cords showing driving downhill in the rain.

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The stock S4 cams are very mild. Intake lift/duration is .354" / 200 deg exhaust lift/duration is .313" / 190 deg. Bigger cams really wake the car up.
Says 90 and up was .393/.353.
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& the inside 2"-3" of rear tires have cords showing driving downhill in the rain.

Newbs are priceless.. (For redemption) Pic of Speedo @ 70mph w/ESP flashing, while you're in the Trunk w/todays paper or it didn't happen
Nah up hill is way easier . I can break my 35's loose in the rain at 70 but thats with 700+HP and 1500+ft/lbs of torque. No way a 300hp car can in the dry on street tires.
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I could only do it at around 45-50mph flooring it making it drop down gears while I had a cheap set of tires that were 275/30/19 when my car had the 180 crank pulley/headers/etc with over 500ft/tq at the wheels.

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I've driven a 300whp car that could break the rears loose on the freeway at will. It was a mid 90s miata with an LS1/T56 and still had the stock wheels on it
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I've driven a 300whp car that could break the rears loose on the freeway at will. It was a mid 90s miata with an LS1/T56 and still had the stock wheels on it
Yea just don't see it happening in a 4000+lb car with a automatic and 2.82 gears or whatever they have.
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I've blown my charge pipe boot of at 70psi and it sounds like a bomb going off.
Ditto and if it's the first time you've ever done it, you're pretty sure you blew up your engine.
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Originally Posted by e55amgrocket
Nah up hill is way easier . I can break my 35's loose in the rain at 70 but thats with 700+HP and 1500+ft/lbs of torque. No way a 300hp car can in the dry on street tires.
What was I thinking Soo true.. Will add Pikes Peak run in the rain to the mix! Lastly momentary blip of Peg-Leg traction loss w/no LSD isn't quite the same as truly breaking both tires loose @ 70
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Says 90 and up was .393/.353.
Those are GT spec cams not S4.
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& the inside 2"-3" of rear tires have cords showing driving downhill in the rain.

Newbs are priceless.. (For redemption) Pic of Speedo @ 70mph w/ESP flashing, while you're in the Trunk w/todays paper or it didn't happen
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Ditto and if it's the first time you've ever done it, you're pretty sure you blew up your engine.
Lol I was about 99% sure I blew it up. The pipe smacked the hood and left a massive dent where it almost came thru. I had a friend with me when it happened and he said OMG you just blew the head off lol. It happened about 1/4 mile from the house and I got a call from the wife saying he just heard an explosion. Don't know the exact PSI but it was past 70 when I looked at the gauge then BOOM.
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Lol I was about 99% sure I blew it up. The pipe smacked the hood and left a massive dent where it almost came thru. I had a friend with me when it happened and he said OMG you just blew the head off lol. It happened about 1/4 mile from the house and I got a call from the wife saying he just heard an explosion. Don't know the exact PSI but it was past 70 when I looked at the gauge then BOOM.
Let me guess, test run after working on the truck. When it happened to me I also had a friend in the truck and we were within a 1/4 mile of the house
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Let me guess, test run after working on the truck. When it happened to me I also had a friend in the truck and we were within a 1/4 mile of the house
Exactly correct. Just finished up when it had a 66 over S488 and I guess when I put the monster pump on I didn't tighten the boot down. One of those 11pm brain farts. Kinda wish I still had that set-up but towinh with a 88 just wasn't happening.
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LOL sure you do....My Pinto breaks the tires loose at 115 mph too
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
Perhaps you had your spare tire in the rear? Trust me, they put down about 300whp ( sometimes even less ). I had over 500whp/550wtrq and I can't say my car easily broke the tires loose at 70mph, it has happened but it wasn't constantly.
Nah, not my spare. You all have to understand where I live. The roads are utter crap around here. They're not nice or smooth as glass like you guys have.
But honestly, it does break them loose and the traction control kicks in very frequently at those speeds.
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I was making over 600 and could spin street tires from 50-70 when it would shock the tires and those were the junky Goodyear f1's. M/T's on stock rims wouldn't spin and the 16" Hoosiers would spin a tiny bit from a 20-30 roll but you could stay in it and they would hook right up.
I had a set of Mickey Thompson street slicks that no one could break loose. You'd break a drivetrain component first. I used to let my friends use them, and they'd give them back a week later after breaking something, lol.

Originally Posted by emoving
You should sell it and get a real E!
I know, my fake E sucks. Except how cheap it is to fix!!! Balljoints $30, shocks $100, links $20, bushings $8, rear control arms $40. It's literally cheaper to replace most of this stuff than a camry or other more common vehicle. And this isn't some knock off crap either. OE or other quality names.

I actually like that it doesn't have all of the crazy computer controlled stuff like the newer cars. I don't want air-ride (those blow out here all the time). I have most of the creature comforts, Nav, heated air filled seats, AUX port. Not sure what else I need.
If I want a "real" performance vehicle, it wouldn't have 4 doors and weigh over 4k lbs. This is my kid hauler.

Wouldn't mind a W211, but most are abused anyway. :/
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Originally Posted by BlackOmega
Nah, not my spare. You all have to understand where I live. The roads are utter crap around here. They're not nice or smooth as glass like you guys have.
But honestly, it does break them loose and the traction control kicks in very frequently at those speeds.
You obviously haven't been to Puerto Rico. In one year I lost 2 wheels and 3 tires to our glass pavement...lol. I once had a car that had the roof bend due to a pot hole. Our huge rainfall destroys roads in weeks.

Your E55 cannot put much more than 300whp even if modified. Take it to a dyno. And if you had wheel spin at 70mph then you have VERY crappy tires. Most of us here could barely break them with 200+whp more.
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
You obviously haven't been to Puerto Rico. In one year I lost 2 wheels and 3 tires to our glass pavement...lol. I once had a car that had the roof bend due to a pot hole. Our huge rainfall destroys roads in weeks.

Your E55 cannot put much more than 300whp even if modified. Take it to a dyno. And if you had wheel spin at 70mph then you have VERY crappy tires. Most of us here could barely break them with 200+whp more.
Nope, haven't been to Puerto Rico. You bent a roof on a pothole!

Our roads are pretty bad too. We have two seasons, winter and construction. It's about to be orange cone season again.

However, we have one thing that no other state has, the heaviest allowable gross vehicle weight for semi trucks. Because of the auto industry, they're allowed much heavier tractor trailers here. Paved roads will literally have ruts or channels that you ride in. It's like a paved dirt road.

As for the HP output, I'm not the original owner of this car so I don't know if it's modified or not. No obvious things are on it, but it is fairly fast. I'd estimate it being a low 13 second car. Considering the weight of this thing, it has to be at least 300WHP. However, HP is not what spins your tires, it's torque.
Regardless, if you calculate approximately 20% drivetrain loss, you come out with 360HP (whiich is stock IIRC). Although I'd dare say that the loss isn't quite that high.

And what do you mean the E55 can't put much more than 300WHP even if modified? Not sure I follow you here. Are you saying the engine can't output more? Or that the car physically can't put the power to the pavement?

I know the engine could EASILY put out more with some minor modifications. As for hooking up, well, changing the alignment for such, although, the small halfshafts may prove to be a problem as I don't believe they couldn't handle much more power.

Did you guys know that the M113 has the same firing order as a small block Ford V8 (windsor engines)? Funny coincidence.

As for my tires, while not the most super duper awesome tire on the planet, I'd say they're far from crappy. They hook very well. I can pull out of 90* corners between 55-60 MPH. They're the Kumho Ecsta LE sport (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....tireMake=Kumho) They're actually rated fairly well. Only real traction issue I've noticed with them is accelerating when wet. It was just surprising to me so see my traction control kick on @ 70 too.
But then again, with -2* of Camber, how much of the tire is actually touching the road?

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Originally Posted by BlackOmega


I know, my fake E sucks. Except how cheap it is to fix!!! Balljoints $30, shocks $100, links $20, bushings $8, rear control arms $40. It's literally cheaper to replace most of this stuff than a camry or other more common vehicle. And this isn't some knock off crap either. OE or other quality names.

I actually like that it doesn't have all of the crazy computer controlled stuff like the newer cars. I don't want air-ride (those blow out here all the time). I have most of the creature comforts, Nav, heated air filled seats, AUX port. Not sure what else I need.
If I want a "real" performance vehicle, it wouldn't have 4 doors and weigh over 4k lbs. This is my kid hauler.

Wouldn't mind a W211, but most are abused anyway. :/
Put coils over on and the suspension is taken care of. Not much more computer crap then the w210 really. There are a lot of nonabused cars out there. But I agree, there are also a lot of abused cars as well.
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I think there are a few shops doing builds right now. I know IPS just got all the parts in last week when I stopped by on Friday. The full build is starting Monday. I will keep you guys posted although Stass does not want any pictures posted until the build is complete. I will be taking pics but I will not be able to share them until later.
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Originally Posted by emoving
Put coils over on and the suspension is taken care of. Not much more computer crap then the w210 really. There are a lot of nonabused cars out there. But I agree, there are also a lot of abused cars as well.
I was thinking more along the lines of Some Koni adjustables and some Eibach springs. This combo has served me well in the past. Don't want to go too crazy on the suspension, although, the adjustability of the Koni's would make it nice for longer trips.
I also don't wan't to drop it much more than it is, the roads and driveways around here are so bad I'd be scraping everywhere. Been there, done that with most of my old DD's. Our roads beat cars up pretty badly.


I've just been wondering how much room there is for porting on these heads. And if custom grind cams are available.
Also, are the N/A E55's speed density? or Mass air. I don't recall seeing any Mass air sensors, so I'm going to assume speed density. Which, I suppose, would make sense since you need to tune these cars after any little adjustment.
Mass air would make it easier to modify N/A's without the need for tuning every single time you change something. To a point of course. You'd likely run out of preset parameters fairly quickly.

Any good stand alone engine management systems?
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I was thinking more along the lines of Some Koni adjustables and some Eibach springs. This combo has served me well in the past. Don't want to go too crazy on the suspension, although, the adjustability of the Koni's would make it nice for longer trips.
I also don't wan't to drop it much more than it is, the roads and driveways around here are so bad I'd be scraping everywhere. Been there, done that with most of my old DD's. Our roads beat cars up pretty badly.


I've just been wondering how much room there is for porting on these heads. And if custom grind cams are available.
Also, are the N/A E55's speed density? or Mass air. I don't recall seeing any Mass air sensors, so I'm going to assume speed density. Which, I suppose, would make sense since you need to tune these cars after any little adjustment.
Mass air would make it easier to modify N/A's without the need for tuning every single time you change something. To a point of course. You'd likely run out of preset parameters fairly quickly.

Any good stand alone engine management systems?
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W211 have M113's right? I thought my questions would be pertinent to a turbo discussion. Not sure what exact differences there are, but if parts are interchangeable, there may be a benefit to both.

Not trying to hijack or anything.
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Originally Posted by Sir-Boost-a-Lot
I've driven a 300whp car that could break the rears loose on the freeway at will. It was a mid 90s miata with an LS1/T56 and still had the stock wheels on it
Yes, have seen the same set up in a RX7 at the mile.


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