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Old 07-19-2013, 01:33 PM
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Sorry guys, misread the chart, I am a fool the air/fuel was richer after 5500.
With all the issues with cooling and you supercharged guys running tanks in the trunk or reservoirs in the engine compartment, what actually cools the tank besides filling with ice, once that melts the temp goes up. The lines running from the engine to the tank provide a method of cooling but most I see are rubber. Would it be an idea to run 1 inch copper tubes with aluminum fins wrap around to provide a method to dissipate the heat to and from the tank in the first place, also have not seen any tank with external cooling. Correct me if I am on the wrong track, just wondering out loud?
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Originally Posted by Critter
Sorry guys, misread the chart, I am a fool the air/fuel was richer after 5500.
With all the issues with cooling and you supercharged guys running tanks in the trunk or reservoirs in the engine compartment, what actually cools the tank besides filling with ice, once that melts the temp goes up. The lines running from the engine to the tank provide a method of cooling but most I see are rubber. Would it be an idea to run 1 inch copper tubes with aluminum fins wrap around to provide a method to dissipate the heat to and from the tank in the first place, also have not seen any tank with external cooling. Correct me if I am on the wrong track, just wondering out loud?
Not trying to be smart, just a question!
The heat exchanger cools the water in the tank
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wow looks sick, and alot better than wisetec
Old 07-20-2013, 12:15 AM
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Looking good.I am curious what kind of power is it going to put down and the cost of the kit.
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Check the website. The 63 kit stage stage 1-3 requires removal of secondary air injection but not the 50-state legal stage 0 kit. However, the 55 kit does not mention anything about removing the secondary air injection pump. I imagine that if you wanted to upgrade to a 82TB, bigger injectors and colder plugs with reservoir tank, exhaust heads then removing the pump would be necessary. When my car is completed I doubt it will pass smog here in So. Cal.

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Weistecs doesn't remove the air pump. I personally did, but they have parts included in their kit to keep it functional.
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As Mentioned Previously, The Pump Is Not Removed With The Weistec 55K Kit. The Kit Provides Everything You Need To Retain it.
Old 07-26-2013, 12:49 AM
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wow looks sick, and alot better than wisetec
Are you talking about the appearance or the performance? There is a good reason why Weistec has the inlet to one side. The throttle body inlet in front of the firewall is extremely restrictive. Even Speedriven is contending with this issue today.

I visited my car at Weistec today and they have some things in the works that will completely eliminate the Hot Air Intake issue, However they will not be altering their intake to a dual inlet design in my opinion.
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Check the website. The 63 kit stage stage 1-3 requires removal of secondary air injection but not the 50-state legal stage 0 kit. However, the 55 kit does not mention anything about removing the secondary air injection pump. I imagine that if you wanted to upgrade to a 82TB, bigger injectors and colder plugs with reservoir tank, exhaust heads then removing the pump would be necessary. When my car is completed I doubt it will pass smog here in So. Cal.
is there a c63 kit?
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Are you talking about the appearance or the performance? There is a good reason why Weistec has the inlet to one side. The throttle body inlet in front of the firewall is extremely restrictive. Even Speedriven is contending with this issue today.

I visited my car at Weistec today and they have some things in the works that will completely eliminate the Hot Air Intake issue, However they will not be altering their intake to a dual inlet design in my opinion.
From the looks of it the speedriven kit is putting down more power with no heat soak issue's. if you look at the graphs it made 590 with very hot and humid day. In regards to looks its basically the same, just a Whipple sitting o a engine
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Are you talking about the appearance or the performance? There is a good reason why Weistec has the inlet to one side. The throttle body inlet in front of the firewall is extremely restrictive. Even Speedriven is contending with this issue today.

I visited my car at Weistec today and they have some things in the works that will completely eliminate the Hot Air Intake issue, However they will not be altering their intake to a dual inlet design in my opinion.
Actually just so we are on the same page and that there are no rumors spread. We are very satisfied with the stock location of the throttle body and dual intake system. I think you might have gotten confused when we mentioned we will be testing the kit with couple different intake setups. Meaning we tested with stock box stock filter, stock box with drop in's, modified stock box and custom intake.
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Originally Posted by MACH-E55
From the looks of it the speedriven kit is putting down more power with no heat soak issue's. if you look at the graphs it made 590 with very hot and humid day. In regards to looks its basically the same, just a Whipple sitting o a engine
Yes, starting with hot air in a forced induction engine is very bad. The hot air will get even hotter when it is compressed. You overload the intercoolers ability to cool the intake charge.

Every 10° increase in intake temps cost you around 1% power. Cold air starting and finishing the compression process is the key to making power in forced induction engines.

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Both companies have good designs and I don't know how restrictive the throttle body placement and the angle of the inlet will affect flow but Weistec's argument seems to make some sense however my first look at the placment of the cone filter in the center of the engine over the top of the exhaust manifold immediately screamed of heat soak even before I heard about all the AITs with OEM 55k customers. That is why they are addressing it by experimenting with several new designs to create a "RAM cold air intake effect".

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Yes, starting with hot air in a forced induction engine is very bad. The hot air will get even hotter when it is compressed. You overload the intercoolers ability to cool the intake charge.

Every 10° increase in intake temps cost you around 1% power. Cold air starting and finishing the compression process is the key to making power in forced induction engines.
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Even though I'm now a customer of Weistec, I prefer the symetrical look of the dual intakes. That's what I had before they removed my Kleemann Autorotor for this Whipple.

I've also read that the Autorotor design is actually MORE efficient than the Whipple/Lysholm design but Weistec states the other way around.

Can somebody chime in on which one is more efficient and why?

Originally Posted by MACH-E55
From the looks of it the speedriven kit is putting down more power with no heat soak issue's. if you look at the graphs it made 590 with very hot and humid day. In regards to looks its basically the same, just a Whipple sitting o a engine
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In order of efficiency.
1. Rotrex 80% +
2. a. Autorotor 70% - 80%
2. b. Lysholm 70% - 80%
3. Vortech/Procharger 60% - 80%
4. Eaton 40% - 55%

In comparison to the Autorotor and Lysholm with similar displacement, the same size Autorotor will outperform the Lysholm.
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Originally Posted by BlownV8
In order of efficiency.
1. Rotrex 80% +
2. a. Autorotor 70% - 80%
2. b. Lysholm 70% - 80%
3. Vortech/Procharger 60% - 80%
4. Eaton 40% - 55%

In comparison to the Autorotor and Lysholm with similar displacement, the same size Autorotor will outperform the Lysholm.
Where did you acquire this information?
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You can google it but the search will take some time.
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What happened to this project? Is it now dead?
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What happened to this project? Is it now dead?
Looks like they were doing dyno runs/tuning at least 6 months ago.. ??
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curious to if this kit will still allow the belt wrap kit to be installed.... the HP and TQ numbers look amazing strong,
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Originally Posted by berti_00
curious to if this kit will still allow the belt wrap kit to be installed.... the HP and TQ numbers look amazing strong,
Woops link to video included

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Any updates?
The customer chewed thru his tranny. We will be rebuilding it soon

Originally Posted by jcjmw
What happened to this project? Is it now dead?

The car has been running for months customer put around 5k miles on it until his trans went

Originally Posted by naudi
Looks like they were doing dyno runs/tuning at least 6 months ago.. ??

After the dyno customer took the car, enjoyed the whole summer and dropped it off a month ago to rebuild the trans.

Originally Posted by berti_00
curious to if this kit will still allow the belt wrap kit to be installed.... the HP and TQ numbers look amazing strong,
Originally Posted by naudi
Woops link to video included

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM-jlqhT9L4
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We currently have a few other cars in for the whipple and will release more once they are up and running
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Saw the second car with the whipple on it in the shop (flat black whipple) sure looks awesome.


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