Why doesn't everyone have a methanol/water injection kit?
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Why doesn't everyone have a methanol/water injection kit?
Keep in mind these are initial logs without the Aquamist controller being fine tuned, but so far so good! Really happy with the results thus far, though I am surprised that the EGT's are a touch higher (~50F-100F)than I am used to seeing. Anyone smarter than I able to chime in as to why that is?
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Partially bias to my setup but I agree in the meth but also don't see why most don't add a Killer Chiller. It can be 90* out and my IATs crusing the street I are 15-20 below ambient, at idle I can be 25-30 below ambient. That's 60* IAT!!!!
At 80-90mph usually right at or just above ambient. Then at WOT let the meth do its thing for the top end cooling.
At 80-90mph usually right at or just above ambient. Then at WOT let the meth do its thing for the top end cooling.
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Partially bias to my setup but I agree in the meth but also don't see why most don't add a Killer Chiller. It can be 90* out and my IATs crusing the street I are 15-20 below ambient, at idle I can be 25-30 below ambient. That's 60* IAT!!!!
At 80-90mph usually right at or just above ambient. Then at WOT let the meth do its thing for the top end cooling.
At 80-90mph usually right at or just above ambient. Then at WOT let the meth do its thing for the top end cooling.
I've thought about adding the KC but am wary of the reduction in A/C performance. How much of a difference is there in your experience after installing the KC?
I bet your beast hauls ašš bro!
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Sure, with what specifically are you curious about?
Yeah the meth/killer chiller/trunk tank combo is the perfect setup, well, probably as good as its going to get unless someone improves the intercooler design which isn't likely to happen.
I've thought about adding the KC but am wary of the reduction in A/C performance. How much of a difference is there in your experience after installing the KC?
I bet your beast hauls ašš bro!
Yeah the meth/killer chiller/trunk tank combo is the perfect setup, well, probably as good as its going to get unless someone improves the intercooler design which isn't likely to happen.
I've thought about adding the KC but am wary of the reduction in A/C performance. How much of a difference is there in your experience after installing the KC?
I bet your beast hauls ašš bro!
It's kind of like the Eco mode on my Chevy Volt that I drive daily. It's cools just fine but not as good as Comfort mode which can get me comfortable in about 2min less time.
Course I am only 160lbs so I don't have lots of insulation to keep me hot in the summer so that can help too!!
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I will be taking more logs, this happened to be the first opportunity I've had to take a real log since getting the car back.
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Jeezus christ, If I wasn't so busy and tad bit lazy to gather a few remaining parts I would have the methanol kit on already. But, you gotta remove the supercharger so that is a big more time consuming.
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This place is a joke.
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What was the outside temp (approx) when you ran this first log? Looks like your setup is working better than mine...if the IAT numbers are true and not spraying directly on the sensor. No matter what I tried, I only saw a max. of 30F cooling; meaning that with the system off, If I hit 160F at the end of a 1/4 mile pull, meth on I would see 130F instead. 130F off, would mean 100F on, etc...
So, try logging a pull with meth off, then on, and see what the results really are. Holding 95F doesn't mean much without comparing the value to something.
There are a lot of exaggerated claims about what meth can do for our IAT's.
So, try logging a pull with meth off, then on, and see what the results really are. Holding 95F doesn't mean much without comparing the value to something.
There are a lot of exaggerated claims about what meth can do for our IAT's.
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Spraying pre blower will only seal up the rotors at best but not cool the iats. Greaser he's not spraying on the sensor either. He has a small nozzle with the aquamist which is the best because it doesnt only use boost as a reference.
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This place is a joke.
We typed at the same time, so I'll repeat:
There are a lot of exaggerated claims about what meth can do for our IAT's.
I have done real world testing, tried multiple nozzle locations/sizes/mixture ratios..Have taken my Supercharger off at least 4 times (can do it in 30 minutes now
)Don't believe everything you read on the internet, words to live by!!
I still see people putting boat bilge pumps (Johnson) on their cars, thinking it's better than the newest factory Bosch pump.
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This place is a joke.
It is known, and proven, that 100% water cools best. However, I can feel my car a little boggy with 100% water, so although your IAT's are lower, you are making less power...water doesn't burn. So everything is a trade off. The only way to prove any real gain is running your car on the same day at the track, both with meth on, and meth off. Unfortunately I did not make it to the track this winter to test.
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Basically, what GreaseMonkey and Hulk said.
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What was the outside temp (approx) when you ran this first log? Looks like your setup is working better than mine...if the IAT numbers are true and not spraying directly on the sensor. No matter what I tried, I only saw a max. of 30F cooling; meaning that with the system off, If I hit 160F at the end of a 1/4 mile pull, meth on I would see 130F instead. 130F off, would mean 100F on, etc...
So, try logging a pull with meth off, then on, and see what the results really are. Holding 95F doesn't mean much without comparing the value to something.
There are a lot of exaggerated claims about what meth can do for our IAT's.
So, try logging a pull with meth off, then on, and see what the results really are. Holding 95F doesn't mean much without comparing the value to something.
There are a lot of exaggerated claims about what meth can do for our IAT's.
Once I get to the track again Ill pull some logs both with and without meth on and using ice in the tank. I may try bumping up to 50/50 at some point as well, just to see if trap speeds change at all.
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The methanol should be increasing the knock threshold more so then lowering IATs. I'm not very familiar with the amount of sensors we are able to log with our cars, but when you tune a turbo car (Unless its a Honda) you tend to use knock sensor voltage.
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Jmb, once you increase the meth% you will get a richer afr and power will go down.
Lazy, water is great knock and detonation protection as well. More and more guys are using a 80/20 or 70/30 mixture to keep a leaner afr
Lazy, water is great knock and detonation protection as well. More and more guys are using a 80/20 or 70/30 mixture to keep a leaner afr
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Some of them say that when they went from 50/50 to 100% methanol power increased substantially and they picked up a few tenths in the 1320. Of course I imagine they were also tuning for it.
