Stop drinking the cool-aid on top mount intercoolers.....
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#52
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You're spot on with your idea. Most likely it was the six pack of beer before welding that caused him to forget about the damn hole. lol
This pic (below) is what we were using to duplicate bolt channel.(exactly what you said to do)
Dual heat exchangers or top mount intercoolers? Either way, ask away on what NOT to do. I've have tons of failures to assist you on. lol
This pic (below) is what we were using to duplicate bolt channel.(exactly what you said to do)
Dual heat exchangers or top mount intercoolers? Either way, ask away on what NOT to do. I've have tons of failures to assist you on. lol
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#53
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Top mounts, but I planned on deleting the stock unit in favor of just the two above. So I see your cores are rectangular with a small surface area and a long one pass travel.. I planned on the opposite with a broad surface area and short one pass. The biggest trick there is space in the bay. I'll post pics when I'm further along ![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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My set up is from the common folk mindset with the capibilities (this guy) who can replace heads and do medium repairs/modifications......but not tear apart engines and build sh*t. lol
I think we are on the path of making the M113k even better. Imagine making a factory blown M113K put down 700 rwhp without nitrous?
I will post EVERY PIECE OF MY SYSTEM for everyone to gauge and build. I'm tired of people holding secrets on how and what they achieved with this dated platform. For God's sake, let us put our heads together and put more bad**s M113K's on the road. Just say'in
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Looks good to me. Would be great if someone would start production of them, even on a small scale. 700rwhp would be ground breaking for the platform.
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Has anyone looked at different (factory) engine mounts to drop the engine by say 20-30mm to gain more clearance up top?
I havent looked underneath but id assume there must be a bit of give under there? The center drive shaft hoop could probably be spaced down by 10mm to keep driveline angles in check maybe even the whole rear subframe/diff could be packed down if it came to it same with the front subframe now that I think about it??
I havent looked underneath but id assume there must be a bit of give under there? The center drive shaft hoop could probably be spaced down by 10mm to keep driveline angles in check maybe even the whole rear subframe/diff could be packed down if it came to it same with the front subframe now that I think about it??
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Changing motor mounts also means the exhaust comes down, and unless you have custom headers I think it'll probably rub on steering shaft or body.
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Thank you.
I'm curious, myself. We have a 1/4 mile track a few hours from here I need to check out. (Ennis, Tx) I wanted to start LSR with my car. Would be kinda cool to break world records in top speeds for modified sport sedan class. I believe Brabus holds the record for *250mph in the Brabus Rocket CLS.
*it's actually 230 mph
*it's actually 230 mph
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I while back I was planning to do just that, in order to raise the Weistec blower off its base to accommodate a bigger intercooler. It'd be pretty easy to do by modifying the cast aluminum stands the engine mounts bolt to.
IIRC the first critical contact point was the oil pan hitting the steering rack. You could drop the engine about a centimeter and still have a few MM clearance between the two. Youd probably want to run a urethane engine mount on the drivers side to limit the movement of the engine torquing under load in this case.
IIRC the first critical contact point was the oil pan hitting the steering rack. You could drop the engine about a centimeter and still have a few MM clearance between the two. Youd probably want to run a urethane engine mount on the drivers side to limit the movement of the engine torquing under load in this case.
Has anyone looked at different (factory) engine mounts to drop the engine by say 20-30mm to gain more clearance up top?
I havent looked underneath but id assume there must be a bit of give under there? The center drive shaft hoop could probably be spaced down by 10mm to keep driveline angles in check maybe even the whole rear subframe/diff could be packed down if it came to it same with the front subframe now that I think about it??
I havent looked underneath but id assume there must be a bit of give under there? The center drive shaft hoop could probably be spaced down by 10mm to keep driveline angles in check maybe even the whole rear subframe/diff could be packed down if it came to it same with the front subframe now that I think about it??
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If you did not totally ruin the front suspension geometry you could just lower the entire front subframe. You would mess with your driveline geometry but you could figure that out pretty easy.
But it would be best to just do a custom hood.
But it would be best to just do a custom hood.
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Good question. I took the mile record for the M113k for using factory blower and no nitrous with 180.7 mph. I wished the temps weren't in the 80's.....but my intercoolers did REALLY well. (I'll get to that later
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The record held for 5 years with Brooke's CL55 doing 180.4
Brooke and Shardul were there helping me achieve it. The irony? It was Brooke/Shardul's parts and Anthony Lawshee's tune that did it.........just like they did the CL55 in 2010 for 180.4. Anthony and Jerry tuned the CL55 for the mile back in 2010 and Anthony then finalized the tune with a correction to the A/F. Pretty cool, huh? I think so.
Last Thursday I dyno tuned the car and it didn't go well. A/F's were not controllable and I only dynoed (Mustang) 412 rwhp (125 hp loss from last dyno tune) 5 hours in the dyno session I gave up. Decided to go to the mile race against Anthony Lawhee's better judgement. (The tune was not corrected and I could of damaged the engine). Arrived late (1:48am) Saturday morning and decided to change the 02 sensors with universal Bosch as a "why not" last ditch effort in the pits. Hit 180.7 on the second run (no tape. all exterior intact. full trim and weight) with TCU hesitating between shifts......like I was driving a standard? (Weistec modified)
I only ran 4 times in two days. The two runs Sunday were a bust. I messed with another tune and played with the intake. Cost me 4 mph. lol
I just started, I guess. Found all the issues that my car doesn't like and found out what it does. Now, I will start improving. My goal is to break 200 mph in the mile. Nitrous is the key. Lots of it.
To do list?
1) Find problem with fuel management and dyno tune
2) Start modifying my factory transmission and rear end
3) Since I have the built engine, I should probably test it's capabilities with nitrous. Just say'in.
4) Remove my heavy 20" wheels and use lighter 19's so I can get racing slicks
5) Replace my 83mm clutched pulley with 77mm clutched pulley.
6) Replace my heavy driveshaft with carbon fiber driveshaft.
7) Lower my vehicle
8) Work on my intercoolers. I have tons of data with ideas and I'm not afraid to use them.....
9) Get my CLS with .30 drag co-efficiency to the E's .27 co-efficiency.
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The record held for 5 years with Brooke's CL55 doing 180.4
Brooke and Shardul were there helping me achieve it. The irony? It was Brooke/Shardul's parts and Anthony Lawshee's tune that did it.........just like they did the CL55 in 2010 for 180.4. Anthony and Jerry tuned the CL55 for the mile back in 2010 and Anthony then finalized the tune with a correction to the A/F. Pretty cool, huh? I think so.
Last Thursday I dyno tuned the car and it didn't go well. A/F's were not controllable and I only dynoed (Mustang) 412 rwhp (125 hp loss from last dyno tune) 5 hours in the dyno session I gave up. Decided to go to the mile race against Anthony Lawhee's better judgement. (The tune was not corrected and I could of damaged the engine). Arrived late (1:48am) Saturday morning and decided to change the 02 sensors with universal Bosch as a "why not" last ditch effort in the pits. Hit 180.7 on the second run (no tape. all exterior intact. full trim and weight) with TCU hesitating between shifts......like I was driving a standard? (Weistec modified)
I only ran 4 times in two days. The two runs Sunday were a bust. I messed with another tune and played with the intake. Cost me 4 mph. lol
I just started, I guess. Found all the issues that my car doesn't like and found out what it does. Now, I will start improving. My goal is to break 200 mph in the mile. Nitrous is the key. Lots of it.
To do list?
1) Find problem with fuel management and dyno tune
2) Start modifying my factory transmission and rear end
3) Since I have the built engine, I should probably test it's capabilities with nitrous. Just say'in.
4) Remove my heavy 20" wheels and use lighter 19's so I can get racing slicks
5) Replace my 83mm clutched pulley with 77mm clutched pulley.
6) Replace my heavy driveshaft with carbon fiber driveshaft.
7) Lower my vehicle
8) Work on my intercoolers. I have tons of data with ideas and I'm not afraid to use them.....
9) Get my CLS with .30 drag co-efficiency to the E's .27 co-efficiency.
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Congrats ![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
But that record should be taken with a grain of salt since you two are two of the very few 55s that run in the mile. Your 1/4 mile was 123mph and 1/2 mile was 150.3mph on that run. Isn't that pretty much exact same as what you ran before? Neither of which are records btw
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But that record should be taken with a grain of salt since you two are two of the very few 55s that run in the mile. Your 1/4 mile was 123mph and 1/2 mile was 150.3mph on that run. Isn't that pretty much exact same as what you ran before? Neither of which are records btw
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Congrats ![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
But that record should be taken with a grain of salt since you two are two of the very few 55s that run in the mile. Your 1/4 mile was 123mph and 1/2 mile was 150.3mph on that run. Isn't that pretty much exact same as what you ran before? Neither of which are records btw
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But that record should be taken with a grain of salt since you two are two of the very few 55s that run in the mile. Your 1/4 mile was 123mph and 1/2 mile was 150.3mph on that run. Isn't that pretty much exact same as what you ran before? Neither of which are records btw
I see you follow Shardul's or Brook's social media.......or mine? Nothing says I love you like a restraining order, bro?
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A lot of 55's have run the mile. I guess most haven't spent the time or effort to max out the factory's design. It's a cool feeling knowing my dated platform is beating newer cars with non-factory added blowers and turbos. This is the beginning, you see. This is the point were I can start improving.
I actually ran better before......but the heads were lifting. As you said earlier......they are excuses, as was ALL of your failures. No? How many engines and set-ups have you gone through to be where you are at now? I believe a few? Right?
You're right, this forum (and all forums) is a joke. Because people like you who post thousands of posts on this and multiple other forums find safe haven behind screens. Stalking and sh*t talking to tons of people seem to be your normal everyday activity. How in the hell can you carry on a full time job.......post as much as you.......work on the car? Impressive, to say the least.
On a side note, could you imagine having spent your decade of time and money on a platform that was common to start with? You can't. Because if you did, you would be just fast.......not one of the fastest. Why do you mess with the M113? Because you don't have much competition to claim the fastest 1/4 mile time. Sound familiar?
The level it takes a fast vehicle to an epic level costs hundreds of thousands. I doubt, by the looks of it, you have that invested. Just sayin.
We will cross paths one day, my friend. Looking forward to our talk.
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Your 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile speeds are very weak. Don't get mad that I point it out. 123mph in the 1/4? LOL. Just as an FYI I don't follow any of you on social media, just look up your followers genius. Might wanna rethink who your friends are. It was sent to me laughing about how slow you went with more work. I thought it would have humbled you, apparently not.
So you did more work, spent more money, went slower, and you're happy? That ugly intercooler setup must be really good if you went slower than when you were lifting heads before with a stock intercooler lol.
I went through 2 stock NA M113 motors. Before I ever blew a motor I was still running faster times than you LOL. Ask your buddy how many built motors he went through and was still slower than my stock motor runs. Matter of fact so are you. Getting to the top takes innovation and eventually you find the weak points.
You have an M113 right? If it was easy why are you 23mph slower than my car in the 1/4?
Also, thanks for pointing that out, STILL the quickest and fastest full interior Mercedes in the 1/4 mile (not just M113)
Good luck with the nitrous. Let me know when you actually go fast
So you did more work, spent more money, went slower, and you're happy? That ugly intercooler setup must be really good if you went slower than when you were lifting heads before with a stock intercooler lol.
I went through 2 stock NA M113 motors. Before I ever blew a motor I was still running faster times than you LOL. Ask your buddy how many built motors he went through and was still slower than my stock motor runs. Matter of fact so are you. Getting to the top takes innovation and eventually you find the weak points.
You have an M113 right? If it was easy why are you 23mph slower than my car in the 1/4?
Also, thanks for pointing that out, STILL the quickest and fastest full interior Mercedes in the 1/4 mile (not just M113)
Good luck with the nitrous. Let me know when you actually go fast
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Agreed, they were weak. Not my best. Then again, I was lucky to just complete the mile without a damn problem. Mad? This is just a forum and you're just a troubled man. lol
I already stated the car was not running good? We don't know the issues yet?
Although.........
Some say that a properly prepped track with drag slicks/set-up will produce better results compared to street tires on a dusty airfield. Some go as far to say it's best to dyno-tune your car to make the best of engine's tuning and make sure you don't have problems. Then again, it's just rumor?
I bet if you practice enough drag racing the 1/4 mile..... one could improve their times and speeds. Just kidding. That would be stupid to assume....
Humbled me? How was I getting cocky in my post? My car would get smoked by a lot of M113K's on this forum with factory blowers and no nitrous.......including your piece of sh*t hacked W208 frankenstein. I never claimed to be faster than anyone here? My problematic piece of sh*t struggled to beat a 6 year old record by a car that was putting down less horsepower than mine. I was lucky to get my car to trigger the d*mn mile trap speed laser without my car breaking down or going to limp mode. lol
I didn't have more work done? Intercoolers/meth location change were a band aid......not a performance gain? Besides, I told everyone on social media that I will not do well due to problems with the car? Everybody knew that? Everybody knew I was down over 130 rwhp going into the race? I'm confused on your statement...
unless, you're lying. For the record, stalking people is creepy and is frowned upon by most people........including this guy.
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Not happy, just closure. This started as thing to do with my family and has turned into something they resent. I wished my car would burn to the ground most of the time. It took me 2 1/2 years to beat a record by .3 mph with a more powerful car. Bragging is one thing I'm not doing, that's for sure.
Ugly? You're right, it is. But I can close my hood to hide my car's ugliness. Yours? Well, never mind.
Can you read? Why I'm I even responding to this?
I went through 2 stock NA M113 motors. Before I ever blew a motor I was still running faster times than you LOL. Askyour buddy how many built motors he went through and was still slower than mystock motor runs. Matter of fact so are you.Getting to the top takes innovation and eventually you find the weak points.
I'm sensing an underlining insecurity complex, here. I'm no doctor, but you have some serious issues, brah. What's up with your constant d*ck measuring? You follow me around constantly nut hugging me and waiting to talk sh*t to me? Shoo fly, you bug me. How do you work full time, again? This damn post has taken me all day to finish. lol
Look, you have one of the lightest AMG's made and have spent over a decade to make it fast. Congrats. You are the man. But, truth to be told....e55amgrocket and redbulljunky (and a few others here) are more of a pioneer. You? Well, you hacked a vehicle and changed its design. (Kinda along the lines of making a civic fast. It will always be a hacked civic) By taking a light and simple n/a vehicle with a 1/3 of our features and changing it to a 1/4 mile go cart; you feel entitled to constantly put other people down. Too each their own, I guess.
Don't post to me anymore, man. I don't care what you have to say. Thank you for the entertainment, though.
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