Total and sudden power loss at WOT - help w/ diagnosing
1) I bough the car sight unseen a month ago - it has 266,000km.
2) I was told by the salesman at least one exhaust manifold was bad / "he" said he could hear it hiss under WOT.
3) I replaced the IC pump yesterday for a new 010 Bosh. I found that it already had a 010 pump installed which seemed to work fine.
4) I put new air filters and changed the engine oil and filter.
5) I still need to change the trany oil, filter and pan gasket, change the spark plugs and also change the valve cover gasket as I seem to have a minor oil leak on the upper left portion of the engine - tbc.
Now I was in a rush but I first drove the car tonight for 5 minutes (wet roads). Under normal driving, the car seems to work just as expected. I filled her up with 91 octane, and on the way back, I punched it: the car picked up good and immediately failed, like I hit a rev limiter or something. I continued driving normally for a little bit than tried WOT again, car bogged down heavily. Didn't wanted to rev at all and no power, engine felt rough as hell. Then back to normal as soon as you let off the gaz.
I'll leave this here, if any of you want to comment.
From reading all the threads I could find, couple things were mentioned that could be the culprit:
-Failed fuel pump/connectors/or filter
-MAF
-Throttle pos. sensor
-Throttle body
EDIT: One more thing to mention, no CEL came on after the power loss happened a couple times. Couple more things that I started worrying about after the drive: incorrect SC adjustment (gap), or failed belt tensionner (or old belt that needs replacement).
EDIT #2: I can manually keep the car in lower gears and bring the RPM up, but as soon as I punch it, it still fails
Last edited by lockeed; Mar 30, 2018 at 06:28 AM.
Do you have android device? You need a ELM327 ob2 bluetooth device off ebay so we can look at some stats to help you.
1) Could a failed tensioner or worn belt produce this?
2) If the it's related to a bad fuel pump or filter, wouldn't the car had any symptoms under normal driving or when punching it while in neutral? I can do both without any issues. (rev to about 4k but smooth)
Finally, I do have an OBD2 bluetooth device but I found it pretty useless, do you have a good free or cheap app for iphone or Android? I also have a brand new Foxwell NT640 reader/scanner/programmer which can do live data - I can probably find a way to record and post back the results, let me know what you need.
Last edited by lockeed; Mar 30, 2018 at 06:37 AM.
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Did you run the car without ESP?
fuel rail shouls be 80~ psi if u have a gauge that fits the test valve on the rail.
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And no, I didn't try the car with ESP off, I will in a couple hours after the prov. inspection... But I fear it won't change anything, it definately feels like a misfire the more I think of it and the scanned codes kind of confirms it.
ps. Arrow is pointing FW I assume on the M113 layout?
I removed both valve covers, replaced the gaskets, I installed my headers, replaced the plugs (damn some of those were stuck in there pretty good), visually inspected all the coils and wires for defects and cleaned them... and I also replaced both engine mounts.
Unfortunately, I picked the car up from the exhaust shop at 5pm and I still have the power loss and bugging down when I push the car past 3/4 throttle I'd say... It does the same thing, feels like 2 or 3 cylinders just shut off for a moment. Now even at low rpm it still feels sluggish, like it can't recover. CEL came ON again, haven't had a chance to check the codes but will do tomorrow am and report back.
I don't know why but since the car runs great upon start and at low to mid RPMs, I suspect fuel starvation - which is possibly due to a faulty pump/sender unit/filter, or bad injector(s). My question is: Could a bad pump cause misfire and a CEL code for being starved of fuel?
I haven't touched the fuel tank, pump and filter... so I fear they might be long overdue... The good news is, I called the Mercedes dealer in Quebec about the warranty extension, (thinking I'd be turned down), and after checking my VIN, my car is eligible! Quite happy about that, so as soon as that snow clears up, I'll head to Quebec to do that whole thank swap. Side note, any of you know if they just replace the whole thing WITH the pump and sending unit?
Last edited by lockeed; Apr 5, 2018 at 08:35 PM.
I removed both valve covers, replaced the gaskets, I installed my headers, replaced the plugs (damn some of those were stuck in there pretty good), visually inspected all the coils and wires for defects and cleaned them... and I also replaced both engine mounts.
Unfortunately, I picked the car up from the exhaust shop at 5pm and I still have the power loss and bugging down when I push the car past 3/4 throttle I'd say... It does the same thing, feels like 2 or 3 cylinders just shut off for a moment. Now even at low rpm it still feels sluggish, like it can't recover. CEL came ON again, haven't had a chance to check the codes but will do tomorrow am and report back.
I don't know why but since the car runs great upon start and at low to mid RPMs, I suspect fuel starvation - which is possibly due to a faulty pump/sender unit/filter, or bad injector(s). My question is: Could a bad pump cause misfire and a CEL code for being starved of fuel?
I haven't touched the fuel tank, pump and filter... so I fear they might be long overdue... The good news is, I called the Mercedes dealer in Quebec about the warranty extension, (thinking I'd be turned down), and after checking my VIN, my car is eligible! Quite happy about that, so as soon as that snow clears up, I'll head to Quebec to do that whole thank swap. Side note, any of you know if they just replace the whole thing WITH the pump and sending unit?
Good point on putting gaz above the sender unit and pump before getting to the dealership. Might help.
Just read the codes, here's what I got - and a couple pics of the tank seals under the rear seat. No sign of fuel there, just a very light smell when very close with your nose.
Since I got a Cyl 3 misfire code, I decided to swap coil #3 with coil #1 this morning to see if the code would follow the coil, or stay on Cyl #3... While I moved the coil, I had to use the longer plug wire from cyl #3 to install in the #1 position, so I pulled on it and it easily came out, like if it was held in place only by the rubber booth... It happened in an instant but I fear that was an issue, the plug somehow wasn't properly seated in the coi pack. Long story short, I swapped the coils anyway and used the proper length wires... then went for a test drive.
For the first time since I took delivery of the car, it pulled like a rocket! I gave it a pretty good shakedown and it drove beautifully, did everything I asked from it and then some.









