New M5 beats E55 by 10-15 CL to a 155 mph?Autocar first test-drive of the M5...
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New M5 beats E55 by 10-15 CL to a 155 mph?Autocar first test-drive of the M5...
I think it's BS it states that m5 goes 0-200 15 seconds and we all know that E55 does it under 15 right? So could it be so or BMW pays money to write articles like that? 
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i really cant judge yet ,,, but what would he get from saying this?! i mean later on if that wasnt true BMW is going to loose alot in the market.. there is some road test coming dont forget TOP GEAR am sure these two cars will go head to head and we will see the results
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[QUOTE=BoBcanada]I think it's BS it states that m5 goes 0-200 15 seconds and we all know that E55 does it under 15 right? So could it be so or BMW pays money to write articles like that?
the e39 can do the same if the e55 let off early!!! wait for the proper comparisons
the e39 can do the same if the e55 let off early!!! wait for the proper comparisons
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I was told along time ago "Torque wins the race!!!" I think that magazine writer may have been a little to spirited in his evaluation of beating a new E55 by 15 car lenghts...does this writer have any clue how slow the E55 would be to get beat by that many car lengths....an E500 maybe, but no E55 by 15 car lenghts...physically impossible.
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That was just a driving "encounter" or driving "incident" and not a top speed driving test!
Many street race winners assume the other driver is going all out, which is not always true. The E55 driver may not have wanted to risk something, whether it be his life, his car or whatever reason and did not go full-on.
Many street race winners assume the other driver is going all out, which is not always true. The E55 driver may not have wanted to risk something, whether it be his life, his car or whatever reason and did not go full-on.
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10-15 carlengths? What the new M5 is quicker than a Porsche GT2?
Ok, lets do some guessing as to the new M5's straight line potential, pointless I know but lets see.
M5
weight: 1830kgs
power: 500bhp
torque: 520NM
Gallardo:
weight: 1560kgs
power: 493bhp
torque:500Nm
E55
weight:1950kgs
power:476-500bhp you all know the deal here
torque:700-780NM (Jeeze!)
The Gallardo is faster than the E55, but then it does weigh about 400kgs less than the E55. The Gallardo tops out at 192mph due to shorter gearing. The E55 tops out at 208mph. How can something that weighs only 100kgs less than the E55, with the (almost) same torque and power output of the Gallardo, aggressive gearing and still manages 205mph put 10-15 car lengths on the E55? What BULLCRAP.
Anyone care to correct me? And what about power to weight, the M5 has 277bhp per tonne. The E55 has about 250bhp per tonne, The GT2 has a much better power to weight ratio, and yet the M5 is as quick as one!?!?
I'm not doubting the Nring time, handling is BMW's forte, but jeeze straight line performance rivalling a GT2? 
Ok, lets do some guessing as to the new M5's straight line potential, pointless I know but lets see.
M5
weight: 1830kgs
power: 500bhp
torque: 520NM
Gallardo:
weight: 1560kgs
power: 493bhp
torque:500Nm
E55
weight:1950kgs
power:476-500bhp you all know the deal here
torque:700-780NM (Jeeze!)
The Gallardo is faster than the E55, but then it does weigh about 400kgs less than the E55. The Gallardo tops out at 192mph due to shorter gearing. The E55 tops out at 208mph. How can something that weighs only 100kgs less than the E55, with the (almost) same torque and power output of the Gallardo, aggressive gearing and still manages 205mph put 10-15 car lengths on the E55? What BULLCRAP.
Anyone care to correct me? And what about power to weight, the M5 has 277bhp per tonne. The E55 has about 250bhp per tonne, The GT2 has a much better power to weight ratio, and yet the M5 is as quick as one!?!?
I'm not doubting the Nring time, handling is BMW's forte, but jeeze straight line performance rivalling a GT2?
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The new M5 engine looks pretty impressive. So why did they saddle it with the awful SMG transmission? Does anyone like this transmission?
This will kill M5 sales from the start. The purists will scream for the excellent six speed manual BMW offers in the M3. The folks who live in the city or who drive a four door sedan because they carry passengers, will miss a automatic and buy AMG instead.
BMW better license the technology from Audi whose DSG transmission is the better compromise.
This will kill M5 sales from the start. The purists will scream for the excellent six speed manual BMW offers in the M3. The folks who live in the city or who drive a four door sedan because they carry passengers, will miss a automatic and buy AMG instead.
BMW better license the technology from Audi whose DSG transmission is the better compromise.
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The guy driving the E55 was probably was just driving along talking on his cell phone... driving at his normal fast pace. He rolls up on the M5, doesn't think much about it, and continues to talk on the cell. As he continues his cell phone conversation he becomes distracted with the ugly looks of the rear of the M5 and subconsciously lets off the gas a little to get the eyesore out of his site so he can focus on closing his business deal on the cell.
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another test drive of Canadian driver check this out....
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/06m5.htm
and does anyone know whats the time 0-1000m for E55?
coz here is M5 Detailed Specs Sheet:
http://box.motorline.cc/autowelt/pdf/bmw_m5_technik.pdf
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/06m5.htm
and does anyone know whats the time 0-1000m for E55?
coz here is M5 Detailed Specs Sheet:
http://box.motorline.cc/autowelt/pdf/bmw_m5_technik.pdf
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Very proud of them for their 383 lb/ft... Quite an accomplishment for a 5.0L V10 in this day and age... Let's wait and see the 60-100mph, 70-125mph, etc, tests to "verify" this magazine's claim of the high speed race. It won't even be close. Wind up the engine and drop the clutch from a dead stop, and yes, it will probably give a W211 E55 a good run, but highway downshifting and passing is a different story.
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BMW M5, 0-1000M : 22.7
AMG officially states a 0-100M for the E55 of : 22.9
So the M5 is quicker by 0.2 of a second, that is such an insignificant advantage over the E55, its embarassing!
I know on the Nring, the car will have us licked, but in everyday encounters, the more respnsive transmission of the E55 will make it impossible for the M5 to catchup. Once that E55 squats and gets shoved forward by 700NM and 500bhp, there's no excuse.
AMG officially states a 0-100M for the E55 of : 22.9
So the M5 is quicker by 0.2 of a second, that is such an insignificant advantage over the E55, its embarassing!
I know on the Nring, the car will have us licked, but in everyday encounters, the more respnsive transmission of the E55 will make it impossible for the M5 to catchup. Once that E55 squats and gets shoved forward by 700NM and 500bhp, there's no excuse.
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Hey everyone:
An E55 can do 75-155 in approx 1/2 mi. To lose buy 15 car lengths means almost 300 ft. THEREFORE: in the time the E55 goes 1/2 a mile the M5 supposedly has travelled 3/4 mi. .................That is Bull....!!!
Besides look at the stock #'s
E-55 - 0-62- in 4.4 secs 0-124 in UNDER 15 secs.
M-5 - 0-62- in 4.7 secs 0-124 in 15 secs.
Stock form the E55 is still marginally faster and thats w/o a Renntech upgrade and Headers. The M5 when it gets here will be shown the true straightline 4door Champ!! E55!!!!
As for the writer of the article, it shows he has no clue about what the E55 will do, I think he is satisfying $'s that are paid to his magazine by BMW to make them sound good! A true pity he doesn't have a clue to what we drive!!
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An E55 can do 75-155 in approx 1/2 mi. To lose buy 15 car lengths means almost 300 ft. THEREFORE: in the time the E55 goes 1/2 a mile the M5 supposedly has travelled 3/4 mi. .................That is Bull....!!!
Besides look at the stock #'s
E-55 - 0-62- in 4.4 secs 0-124 in UNDER 15 secs.
M-5 - 0-62- in 4.7 secs 0-124 in 15 secs.
Stock form the E55 is still marginally faster and thats w/o a Renntech upgrade and Headers. The M5 when it gets here will be shown the true straightline 4door Champ!! E55!!!!
As for the writer of the article, it shows he has no clue about what the E55 will do, I think he is satisfying $'s that are paid to his magazine by BMW to make them sound good! A true pity he doesn't have a clue to what we drive!!
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Originally Posted by H50
i really cant judge yet ,,, but what would he get from saying this?! i mean later on if that wasnt true BMW is going to loose alot in the market.. there is some road test coming dont forget TOP GEAR am sure these two cars will go head to head and we will see the results
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Originally Posted by Bilal
BMW M5, 0-1000M : 22.7
AMG officially states a 0-100M for the E55 of : 22.9
So the M5 is quicker by 0.2 of a second, that is such an insignificant advantage over the E55, its embarassing!
I know on the Nring, the car will have us licked, but in everyday encounters, the more respnsive transmission of the E55 will make it impossible for the M5 to catchup. Once that E55 squats and gets shoved forward by 700NM and 500bhp, there's no excuse.
AMG officially states a 0-100M for the E55 of : 22.9
So the M5 is quicker by 0.2 of a second, that is such an insignificant advantage over the E55, its embarassing!
I know on the Nring, the car will have us licked, but in everyday encounters, the more respnsive transmission of the E55 will make it impossible for the M5 to catchup. Once that E55 squats and gets shoved forward by 700NM and 500bhp, there's no excuse.
Yes 0.2 sec IS insignificant, even in 0-60. You can't feel if a car is 0.2 sec quicker than another. But to say this makes every E55 vs E60 M5 thread worthless because that's all you talk about. 0.* of a second faster/slower....
And to say that the E55 has a more responsive transmission!!!!????? It has a very good auto trans but.. come on.. It's an AUTO...
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Acctually next autocar mag which will be out 21 of sept will be testing head to head E55 Vs M5 Vs quatropole... so we have to wait till then i guess....
Still Upgraded E55 with Kleemann LSD should kick as$!!!
Oh and for example in Canada they are expecting it late 2005 as 2006 model by then Mercedes will bring E63 with 500 hp and 7g tronic i belive... with more goodies to compete with m5... Maybe they will put ABC suspension system on E63 that would be a nice addition from my point of view!
Still Upgraded E55 with Kleemann LSD should kick as$!!!
Oh and for example in Canada they are expecting it late 2005 as 2006 model by then Mercedes will bring E63 with 500 hp and 7g tronic i belive... with more goodies to compete with m5... Maybe they will put ABC suspension system on E63 that would be a nice addition from my point of view!
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Yes 0.2 sec IS insignificant, even in 0-60. You can't feel if a car is 0.2 sec quicker than another. But to say this makes every E55 vs E60 M5 thread worthless because that's all you talk about. 0.* of a second faster/slower....
And to say that the E55 has a more responsive transmission!!!!????? It has a very good auto trans but.. come on.. It's an AUTO...
And to say that the E55 has a more responsive transmission!!!!????? It has a very good auto trans but.. come on.. It's an AUTO...
New M5 should come with CO-Pilot So yeah 0.2 seconds is insignificant!
EDIT: BMW M5, 0-1000M : 22.7
AMG officially states a 0-1000M for the E55 of : 22.9
Official time 0-100km/h is 4.7 so if the best test showed 4.2,sec that means 0-1000m would be 22.4 right? So 0.3 sec might play some role lol
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Originally Posted by BoBcanada
Well think about how long time will it take m5 owner to switch Sport mode on (500hp), switch off DCS, change EDC to sport mode, then to push the button 3-4 times to M6 mode, By then E55 would have 30 to 60 CL New M5 should come with CO-Pilot
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New M5 should come with CO-Pilot :
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So when does the M5 come out? I just got Road and Track and it says the M5 will be out as an 06 model, which means spring time? Maybe even summer? Gives MB time to do something for the 06 E Class facelift.
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What I meant was, as Bob confirmed, Mercedes' AMG Speedshift is the most responsive and aggressive auto transmission in the world. If E55 owners want to blow M5 owners, all they have to do is foot down and they'll be off. With 7 gears how are you going to be fiddling with paddles and whatnot. The cars are so similar that once one of them gets the jump, its going to be very hard for the other to play catchup.
And if you can program it to find the best gear, whats all this ultimate driving machine and manual nonsense? You're asking a computer to find the best gear, isn't that what an auto transmission does?
And everyone knows the P400 default program and the rest...
The M5 may be faster in a straight line, but it won't obliterate the E55, maybe above 140-150mph, due to its aggressive 7 gears and final ratio, but then again can it get above 155mph?
And if you can't "obliterate" the E55, then whats the point? Lets not even give the 65's or 600's a chance to speak.
Once AMG gets hold of 7G tronic, the gap will be even closer.
And if you can program it to find the best gear, whats all this ultimate driving machine and manual nonsense? You're asking a computer to find the best gear, isn't that what an auto transmission does?
And everyone knows the P400 default program and the rest...
The M5 may be faster in a straight line, but it won't obliterate the E55, maybe above 140-150mph, due to its aggressive 7 gears and final ratio, but then again can it get above 155mph?
And if you can't "obliterate" the E55, then whats the point? Lets not even give the 65's or 600's a chance to speak.Once AMG gets hold of 7G tronic, the gap will be even closer.
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Originally Posted by BoBcanada
Acctually next autocar mag which will be out 21 of sept will be testing head to head E55 Vs M5 Vs quatropole... so we have to wait till then i guess....
Still Upgraded E55 with Kleemann LSD should kick as$!!!
Oh and for example in Canada they are expecting it late 2005 as 2006 model by then Mercedes will bring E63 with 500 hp and 7g tronic i belive... with more goodies to compete with m5... Maybe they will put ABC suspension system on E63 that would be a nice addition from my point of view!
Still Upgraded E55 with Kleemann LSD should kick as$!!!
Oh and for example in Canada they are expecting it late 2005 as 2006 model by then Mercedes will bring E63 with 500 hp and 7g tronic i belive... with more goodies to compete with m5... Maybe they will put ABC suspension system on E63 that would be a nice addition from my point of view!
Whats up with all this anxiety? Unless you are stupid enough to believe 10-15 cl BS there is no need for all this "irrationally exuberant" speculation.
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And everyone knows the P400 default program and the rest...
The M5 may be faster in a straight line,
Its Mind-Boggling how a bunch of BS can produce even bigger buch of BS and speculation. Un fkn blvble.
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Once AMG gets hold of 7G tronic, the gap will be even closer.
"The patent (6,752,738) for the 8-Speed Automatic tranny controller for the high-end cars from the SRTs to the AMGs has been approved by the patent office.
DESCRIPTION: "An eight-speed automatic transmission having a compound planetary gear set, a second planetary gear set, and a third planetary gear set each driven by three clutches and fixed to four brakes. A hydraulic control system actuates the eight-speed transmission by selectively energizing a plurality of solenoids that in turn engage the three clutches and four brakes. The hydraulic control system provides electronically modulated converter clutch control to the eight-speed automatic transmission system when the hydraulic system is in a drive position, a manual/low position, and a park/neutral position"
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Originally Posted by Bilal
And if you can program it to find the best gear, whats all this ultimate driving machine and manual nonsense? You're asking a computer to find the best gear, isn't that what an auto transmission does?
With true automatic like in the E55 there is power loss from torque converter and gear change is not as fast. So there is a draw back to true automatic vs. clutch pedal less SMG.
