Racing Dad

OK guys, went over to OE Tuning last week and got my E63 dyno tuned after seeing Racer M and Vic55 having a good experience.

Here's the dyno! :-)


That part of the graph didn't show, but it was 90+F, but the actual inlet air was +100F. It was hot!

And baseline was about 350, the run we used was 344.8 rwhp. Did the ECU reprogram, which was an exact copy of Vic's and BAM! An EXTRA 51 RWHP!! And an extra 41 Torque!

Just like that! End result was 396 HP and 342 Torque. We could have probably broke 400 RWHP if it was cooler! I think ultimately it's important to focus on the gains as opposed to the actual HP / TQ ratings.

Again this is on the Dyno Dynamics, the "heart break dyno". Regular baseline with the dyno jet is 400 RWHP.

Pretty good results if you ask me. Hopefully I won't be setting him up for the rest of you guys. He had mentioned he likes to bring them in and impress them with the results after the fact. Guess I'm setting high expectations now. :-)

Also, not sure why i noticed such a large increase over Vic's despite that it was the exact same maps.

But I do have K&N drop in and removed carbon. not sure how much difference that makes. Apparently, it does make a difference.

UPDATE: forgot to include the video
http://www.youtube.com/v/5j3SRVngbl0

Racing Dad

sorry image is so large, tried making it smaller but code wouldn't work.

CAracer

How's the car feel? Does it sound any different? Drive-ability?

05LSV

What does something like that cost? Also, where is OE Tuning located?

Racing Dad

drive ability hasn't been affected at all. I asked that many times of many different tuners. It doesn't affect ship points, idles or any of those things.

It really only changes timing, A/F ratio, and some other stuff.

OE Tuning is located in Van Nuys, CA

05LSV

Damn. Too far. lol

K-A

Nice, congrats.

I am really shocked at the drivetrain loss on these cars though. I just wouldn't expect under 400 RWHP as stock for a 6.2 AMG, but it seems most all dyno's I've seen posted of them, have been under.

Vic55

Nice gains bro!!!!!!!


Jeremy told me that you go the same exact tune as I did. So this makes me happy. I dont worry too much about my numbers, just that there were gains on the same day dyno with nothing else changing. On a different day anything can happen.

The only way for me to know if my car is not strong is by doing a rolling run... it feels great and this compared to my fully modded (bolt on) E92 M3.

Jons95c36amg

There is no way your gaining 50whp on a E63 from a tune. The detuned 450hp C63 gets 60whp from a tune. My friends 2010 E63 has the same tuning and its no where near that number-tested in the real world. I hope he chimes in.

twinsnails

Wow, those are impressive gains. I'm new to the all engine/Merc side of things, but I have only seen those type of increases on FI cars and not a NA one with software alone. BTW, I think "heartbreak" dyno still fails to properly describe those initial figures, should be more like mom-killer or genital slasher dyno.

Vic55

Ok just for the special naysayers... I just spoke with Jeremy about RD's and my tune--- we are the only ones that have this specific W212 E63 tune from OE tuning. So anyone else with an OE tune on a W212 E63 does NOT have our file.

While 50 whp seems shocking to a few or one- here is what I gathered from Jeremy:

Runs were 20 minutes apart
Car was never unstrapped
Cool down run made the same power as hot run

So he kept all the factors the same as humanly possible. Its still just a dyno and the real world tests would be 3 horn runs in Mexico.

AlbertM

Hey Vic, I am somewhat confused. When I did my tune at TTM, Jeremy told me (explicitly) that he put the same exact file that you have. Are you saying that my tune on My E63 W212 2010 is not the same as yours? If so, what is the difference? And the obvious question is why wouldn't he use the same tune on all E63 W212 cars?

Albert.

Vic55

Jeremy has tuned multiple W212 E63's-- and has used different variations. I was told he used the same exact tune on mine for RD. He might have failed to mention yours since he went to NY after he did mine. (he forgot?)

I know my tune is not the same as RacerX's but that he got good gains as well from Jeremy.

As for using the same tune for all 63's that would be his call. On my M6, I had 6 progressively improved tunes over a period of two years. So its feasable that M6 owners who bought their tunes over different times could have different tunes. I think he charges a nominal fee for updates.

I do know that at the time of the tune being done, he will give you the best tune he has at that given time.


EDIT: Albert I just confirmed you got the same tune as I did

twinsnails

^^^^^The different tune may be related to the different gas. Here in Cali we have **** 91 as the best you can get unless you hunt for something higher (or mix your own). In NY, maybe the tune was slightly more aggressive to take advantage of the 93 which I believe is readily available there.



Crap...I just read Vic55's edit. Disregard I guess, although it could be a reason in the hypothetical sense for the different file.

Jons95c36amg

For the exception on the C63 which have detuned 450hp. So with a tune the C63 would be a little more then the E63 which has 518hp. Add that up with the C63 being 350lbs lighter then the E63-Whoa! Now I walk v-10 M5s and E63s. They dont stand a chance Also I know this guy with a 460whp Stang Cobra. When I was stock he walked me pretty bad. Now we are even. This was done in 2nd gear 40mph. Damn I love my tune

AlbertM

Cool, I just confirmed that as well..

eurowerx

The C63 witn tune is fast but i wouldn't say "walk" i have raced my friends C63 with a tune and he olny had me by 1 car lenth; and i start creeping up to pass him at around 150-160... in the video i have we raced a bunch of times and he even says "oh man hes about to pass me" want to get my tune done and see what happens...

AlbertM

Very interesting result. Today I dynoed my car and the result is somewhat disappointing (I expected around 430-440). 405 peak HP on a dynojet with OEtuning tune on the car. Now unfortunately I don't have a baseline dyno, so I don't know what the difference is with and without the tune. Take it for what it is, 405HP on a dynojet (cool weather 63F). Interestingly, I have not seen a single dyno of E63 mW212 making anywhere near 405 stock or tuned? Anyone out there? All the dynos I have seen on the board or youtube show stock around 340-350 and close to 400 after the tune. Am I missing something?

Jons95c36amg

This is with your E63? My tuned C63 walks my friends E63 pretty good-4cars. Let Albert tell you.

Vic55

Because we have no baseline- there is no idea of what gains you got or didnt get... as for your dynojet or any dyno all the numbers can be manipulated and are clearly affected by multitudes of factors. So unless you dyno the same day with same conditions and at the same time, things can clearly change. Thats why the baseline dyno is so important and the dyno with the tune following should be done with minimal to zero changes and as close to the time of the baseline.

FWIW- the majority of the dynos done and shown here are on the DynoDynamics which almost always reads -10% or a little more than others.

For me, I dont care about the dyno numbers as much as I care about the gains. Then, in respect to the gains, I care about the increases over the curve and not so much at the peak rpm range which our cars rarely reach.

I enjoy my car, its fast, not remotely as fast as my GTR or Turbo but fast and it looks good. And its faster than it was before the OE tune.

juicee63

Yeah something is definately amiss with the 212 dyno's.

Hopefully I get two at Fomoso to run. Track numbers will give us a better idea of actual hp.

I saw many w211 63 and w219 63's stock dyno 's on the dynojet. 390-420 stock....Tuned 418-450. Tunes usually net 20-30hp. I would say to 50 hp is a pretty amazing gain. But not great if the gain is from a base number of 350? How could the new W212 dyno so low, sheesh.

AlbertM

Vic, agreed, I don't have a a baseline and therefore it is impossible to know what gain I had or did not have. But it is interesting to note that if you subtract 10-15% (difference between dynoject vs dyno dynamics) off my my dyno 405 you get around 340-365hp which is exactly what you get for stock E63 on dyno dynamics vs dyno-jet. Which may mean that either the tune that Jeremy did on my car yielded little or no gain at all or for some strange reason I am back to stock. At any rate it almost seems that my car dynos the same as the stock E63 on a dynojet -400-410hp.

This is rather puzzling. It would be interesting to see if there are any E63s W212 out there in NY area with OE tune that would be willing to go and dyno there car at NRG Tech in West Babylon/NY dynojet and compare the results.

Dont get me wrong, I am not heart-broken about this, I do enjoy my car very much every day, but as I do like to know what is what and I'd like to be able to explain observed results in some way. Now obviously if there is something wrong with my car, I would like to know that as well.

Racing Dad

If I remember correctly RacerM's dyno was 425. I'm not sure if that was the baseline or after tune, but I remember seeing his numbers really high.

Funny that you mention that now. I have to say I definitely notice the power increase, especially higher up. Oddly enough it does seems a little weird change gears from 3 to 4 when I'm WOT. There's a little jerkyness, instead of the quick change that we're all used to. Although, i'm not sure if it's the power or just a computer issue with the gear shifts or shift points.

LOL! Yes, the mammer, or genital slasher! ;-)

But Yes, i have to admit the gains are impressive. I know some of you doubt it. In reality if you're comparing max HP with tuned max HP, it's only 40ish HP gain. If you look on the lower left hand corner, the max HP was 353 HP. That was the 3rd run. The second run actually got up to 358 RWHP, but the curve was sporadic and had a couple of weird peaks. So we didn't use that one. So in reality if you compare the max HP at any RPM on the baselines it's 358 and the gains are more along the lines of +38 RWHP.

Which i think is realistic, it's an additional 12% gain. In FI, you will notice 20% - 50% gains depending on the build of the car.

If I remember correctly, with BMW 335 with intake and exhaust, it was not uncommon to get gains close to 100HP! And that's almost a 50% increase. 50+ HP sounds like a lot for a civic, but for our cars, we already have platform that produces so much power as is, 50 additional ponies is really just over 10%.

But the only problem with that is, if you look at the baseline, you'll see you really don't even reach that HP until you're completely in red line. Which is really un-useble power. It's why i didn't like the M5, max HP is at 200 below red line. What's the point unless you're bouncing against that redline the whole time.

After the tune, the HP is at a much more realistic power band just over 1K below redline. That's much more realistic and usable. But at that specific RPM, the increase in HP is 50+.

That would be awesome! We look forward to hearing your results.

Vic55

But you cant use the dyno numbers on the west coast and compare them to yours on the east coast; different dynos, different settings, different days, different temps, different everything.

The 10% was just a figure I used based on what Jeremy told me. And the Gintani DD reads even lower than other DD's so you can take that into account.

Without having a baseline- you just dont know what your gains were but Ill tell you this, you have 3 files on the board that show there are gains all using the same dyno and all runs were done with out pulling the car off. I think you should feel good about your car with the tune.

And the bottomline is the tunes have all proven to be fruitful thru the curve- peak dyno numbers are not as tangible in the real world. Dynos are a just one way of telling you how strong your car is. The truth is I have had an E55 that was less powerful on the dyno compared to others (same dyno) yet faster on the street. Dont put all your faith in dynos but dont discount the numbers either.

juicee63

Since we have a stock W211 E63 we can see if a stock W212 is really losing that much HP or not based on trap speed attained.

Perhaps one of the 212 cars will show up tuned, hmm or maybe get tuned on the track. This would be the only tangible way to demonstrate actual gains in power.


I truly hope some W212's show up @ Fomoso 11/20 so we can really measure this HP