Charcoal filter removal? And Carbon Fibre Intake question.
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Charcoal filter removal? And Carbon Fibre Intake question.
Hello guys,
I have been reading in many posts that the cheapest and easiest way to get a bit more juice out of the w212 E63 would be to change air filters and remove the 'charcoal filter'.
Now I have changed air filters from stock to ITG and I am quite happy with the difference. However, now I would like to know a bit more about this 'charcoal filter' ?
What IS it? Is it the same as the catalytic convertor? Is it hard to remove? And can it potentially cause any problems with the engine or other parts? How much HP can you expect to gain from doing it? And does it void the warranty? Does it affect the sound of the car at all?
Im a bit clueless in this regard so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also, I have found a carbon fibre intake thats very similiar to the one found with evosport (in fact, with the images it looks exactly the same). It is made by a company called Carbonio.
http://www.carbonio.com/performance/...airboxkit.html
http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...VO.PER.M63.CAB
I have contacted the carbonio over a week ago, regarding a special request I had with the initial part of the intake. I wanted that front part to also be in carbon fibre. I will attach an image so you can see what I mean. I sent an email and got no response, so I was thinking that maybe they are out of business or something. I sent the same image and request to renntech, and they said that the part I want in carbon fibre NEEDS to have flex on it for fitting, so it would have to be made of a material other than carbon fibre. Is that true, and why does it have to have flex in it?
Thanks for your help.
I have been reading in many posts that the cheapest and easiest way to get a bit more juice out of the w212 E63 would be to change air filters and remove the 'charcoal filter'.
Now I have changed air filters from stock to ITG and I am quite happy with the difference. However, now I would like to know a bit more about this 'charcoal filter' ?
What IS it? Is it the same as the catalytic convertor? Is it hard to remove? And can it potentially cause any problems with the engine or other parts? How much HP can you expect to gain from doing it? And does it void the warranty? Does it affect the sound of the car at all?
Im a bit clueless in this regard so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also, I have found a carbon fibre intake thats very similiar to the one found with evosport (in fact, with the images it looks exactly the same). It is made by a company called Carbonio.
http://www.carbonio.com/performance/...airboxkit.html
http://www.evosport.com/product/prod...VO.PER.M63.CAB
I have contacted the carbonio over a week ago, regarding a special request I had with the initial part of the intake. I wanted that front part to also be in carbon fibre. I will attach an image so you can see what I mean. I sent an email and got no response, so I was thinking that maybe they are out of business or something. I sent the same image and request to renntech, and they said that the part I want in carbon fibre NEEDS to have flex on it for fitting, so it would have to be made of a material other than carbon fibre. Is that true, and why does it have to have flex in it?
Thanks for your help.
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that part that flexes is so that when the motor revs and breaks etc there is some gives. The top part is connect to the motor, and the front of it is connected to the front radiator grill / body. You will need some flex. but if you look carefully at the picture, the parts you circled are left intact. You don't change those out.
removing charcoals are easy. If you know how to remove your regular filters, it's located on the top side of the plastic air box. just slide them out.
removing charcoals are easy. If you know how to remove your regular filters, it's located on the top side of the plastic air box. just slide them out.
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FYI, the difference in the carbonio and the intake we sell is the filters. We do sell the carbonio, but we sell it with different filters that we feel are superior.
thanks
Brad
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Do not bother with the Carbonio boxes.... they've been tried numerous times and have shown to produce NO GAINS.... at all whether on the dyno or the track. But what is worse is that they are made out of low quality carbon fiber and tend to yellow out disgustingly fast.
The best carbon fiber air box on the market right now seems to be the RENNtech air box. I've seen them produce 8 whp on the dyno over stock air boxes on a CLS63. Also, here is some more track testing done by the C63 folks:
https://mbworld.org/forums/4329481-post64.html
Note that the RENNtech air boxes produced better gains in worse DA over the stock air boxes and Carbonio air boxes.
The best carbon fiber air box on the market right now seems to be the RENNtech air box. I've seen them produce 8 whp on the dyno over stock air boxes on a CLS63. Also, here is some more track testing done by the C63 folks:
https://mbworld.org/forums/4329481-post64.html
Note that the RENNtech air boxes produced better gains in worse DA over the stock air boxes and Carbonio air boxes.
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Hi Brad,
I don't understand what you mean.... do you mean the filter that RENNtech uses is better than the one that comes with Carbonio? The one we tested on Craig's CLS63 had the foam filters before and after the RENNtech boxes
Also, those gains were on a dyno with relatively weak fans, so I would expect more gains when there is 100+ mph winds are being slammed into the front of the car 
On the track, PetroC55 (now PetroC63) showed 1.5 tenth quicker and 1.5 mph faster in worse DA as compared to the Carbonio boxes. In similar DA, I think he would've gained a bit more
Regardless of gains though, I bought only the engine cover of the Carbonio package and have NOT put it on yet, yet I still noticed the freakin thing yellow out like crazy
In comparison, I've seen a 5 year old carbon fiber RENNtech air box on an SL55, and they looked brand new 
I don't understand what you mean.... do you mean the filter that RENNtech uses is better than the one that comes with Carbonio? The one we tested on Craig's CLS63 had the foam filters before and after the RENNtech boxes
Also, those gains were on a dyno with relatively weak fans, so I would expect more gains when there is 100+ mph winds are being slammed into the front of the car On the track, PetroC55 (now PetroC63) showed 1.5 tenth quicker and 1.5 mph faster in worse DA as compared to the Carbonio boxes. In similar DA, I think he would've gained a bit more
Regardless of gains though, I bought only the engine cover of the Carbonio package and have NOT put it on yet, yet I still noticed the freakin thing yellow out like crazy
In comparison, I've seen a 5 year old carbon fiber RENNtech air box on an SL55, and they looked brand new
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i meant that the results you saw with the carbonio (not making power) are in the filter, not the box.
We did a lot of testing on this when they first released.
This is not to say that the RT box is or isnt better - I have no experience on that and cannot comment. It looks nice though. Looks like it will work.
thanks
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We did a lot of testing on this when they first released.
This is not to say that the RT box is or isnt better - I have no experience on that and cannot comment. It looks nice though. Looks like it will work.
thanks
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Its good to know a bit more info on those products, thanks a lot for the help MB_Forever. I thought the engine cover looked fantastic but if it yellows really quick then id rather not buy it at all.
I have been through Renntech's website and unfortunately its kind of outdated. However I contacted them and they sent me the following picture of their CF intake. I must say it looks quite ugly and im not sure the image is even meant to be on the w212 E63, but if it does the job then its all good right?
Also I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of the stock headers (exhaust manifold) for the w212 E63. I am looking for a replacement which looks exactly like the stock AMG ones but with a bigger diameter, for warranty-saving purposes hehe :P
I have been through Renntech's website and unfortunately its kind of outdated. However I contacted them and they sent me the following picture of their CF intake. I must say it looks quite ugly and im not sure the image is even meant to be on the w212 E63, but if it does the job then its all good right?
Also I was wondering if anyone had any pictures of the stock headers (exhaust manifold) for the w212 E63. I am looking for a replacement which looks exactly like the stock AMG ones but with a bigger diameter, for warranty-saving purposes hehe :P
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FYI, I have never seen a Carbonio yellow. So I am not sure it is a totally common deal.
However, this RT box will flow more air I am sure based on the design.
We also sell the Euro AMG boxes that look EXACTLY like stock and will flow more than the US boxes.
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However, this RT box will flow more air I am sure based on the design.
We also sell the Euro AMG boxes that look EXACTLY like stock and will flow more than the US boxes.
thanks
brad
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FYI, I have never seen a Carbonio yellow. So I am not sure it is a totally common deal.
However, this RT box will flow more air I am sure based on the design.
We also sell the Euro AMG boxes that look EXACTLY like stock and will flow more than the US boxes.
thanks
brad
However, this RT box will flow more air I am sure based on the design.
We also sell the Euro AMG boxes that look EXACTLY like stock and will flow more than the US boxes.
thanks
brad
In addition to the yellowing issue (although not as important), the carbon fiber weave is not even close to the quality of the RENNtech carbon fiber weave.
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But it is very important to note that aside from looks, the RENNtech air boxes work. They added power on the dyno and on the track as you see in the links I posted earlier from the C63 crowd. I'm about to do some testing in a facility with very high speed fans and will post the results when finished.
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Thanks again for the reply fellas.
It seems like the RT box does provide better performance and I think im gonna go for it, after checking with the dealership whether my warranty will definitely remain intact.
As a side note, I have some ITG filters fitted on my car now and I think they are very very high quality, I love them. Should I be keeping them if I get the RT airbox, or should I use the filters from RT? Also, how does an airbox affect the sound of the car? Does it increase it much?
MB_Forever, thanks for that kleemann note. I have been surfing around and I have found a nice exhaust system currently being made by Supersprint for the w212 E63 AMG.. so far it claims to give you an additional 42hp and 60nm of tq!!!! Here is the link:
http://www.supersprint.com/USP000mer2121.asp
What are your thoughts on this? Do those exhaust manifolds look anything like the stock ones? And what are your thoughts on changing kats?
It seems like the RT box does provide better performance and I think im gonna go for it, after checking with the dealership whether my warranty will definitely remain intact.
As a side note, I have some ITG filters fitted on my car now and I think they are very very high quality, I love them. Should I be keeping them if I get the RT airbox, or should I use the filters from RT? Also, how does an airbox affect the sound of the car? Does it increase it much?
MB_Forever, thanks for that kleemann note. I have been surfing around and I have found a nice exhaust system currently being made by Supersprint for the w212 E63 AMG.. so far it claims to give you an additional 42hp and 60nm of tq!!!! Here is the link:
http://www.supersprint.com/USP000mer2121.asp
What are your thoughts on this? Do those exhaust manifolds look anything like the stock ones? And what are your thoughts on changing kats?
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Thanks again for the reply fellas.
It seems like the RT box does provide better performance and I think im gonna go for it, after checking with the dealership whether my warranty will definitely remain intact.
As a side note, I have some ITG filters fitted on my car now and I think they are very very high quality, I love them. Should I be keeping them if I get the RT airbox, or should I use the filters from RT? Also, how does an airbox affect the sound of the car? Does it increase it much?
MB_Forever, thanks for that kleemann note. I have been surfing around and I have found a nice exhaust system currently being made by Supersprint for the w212 E63 AMG.. so far it claims to give you an additional 42hp and 60nm of tq!!!! Here is the link:
http://www.supersprint.com/USP000mer2121.asp
What are your thoughts on this? Do those exhaust manifolds look anything like the stock ones? And what are your thoughts on changing kats?
It seems like the RT box does provide better performance and I think im gonna go for it, after checking with the dealership whether my warranty will definitely remain intact.
As a side note, I have some ITG filters fitted on my car now and I think they are very very high quality, I love them. Should I be keeping them if I get the RT airbox, or should I use the filters from RT? Also, how does an airbox affect the sound of the car? Does it increase it much?
MB_Forever, thanks for that kleemann note. I have been surfing around and I have found a nice exhaust system currently being made by Supersprint for the w212 E63 AMG.. so far it claims to give you an additional 42hp and 60nm of tq!!!! Here is the link:
http://www.supersprint.com/USP000mer2121.asp
What are your thoughts on this? Do those exhaust manifolds look anything like the stock ones? And what are your thoughts on changing kats?
Where did you get the picture you posted above?
The supersprint exhaust in your link is a complete exhaust system with long-tube headers. They look nothing like stock and don't resemble at all. However, the supersprint stuff has always been very nice and top quality.
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Carbonio Airboxes Turning Yellow
FYI, I have never seen a Carbonio yellow. So I am not sure it is a totally common deal.
However, this RT box will flow more air I am sure based on the design.
We also sell the Euro AMG boxes that look EXACTLY like stock and will flow more than the US boxes.
thanks
brad
However, this RT box will flow more air I am sure based on the design.
We also sell the Euro AMG boxes that look EXACTLY like stock and will flow more than the US boxes.
thanks
brad
Here are the pictures:
And here is the thread....
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w204-93/
