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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 12:07 PM
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Official 0 - 62 mi/hr times

I was clicking thru the specs for all the AMG cars on the official website and noticed their quoted 0 - 100km (or 0-62 mi/hr) time of 4.2 seconds for 2012 E63 AMG with the Performance Package is beaten only by the SLS AMG. The only other car to match this time is the SL65. The E63 (with Perf Pkg) is faster than the S65, C63 etc. Weren't these two cars formerly faster or at least equal to the E63 in 0 - 62?

It seems the 0 - 60 times for this new E63 will be about 3.9 seconds. Wow.

By the way, I notice that the Mercedes AMG site is now optimized for smartphones. In some ways its actually easier to use that site than the full version one. Check it out on your smartphone.
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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 02:50 PM
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It's widely recognized that the new 5.5 TT engine is underrated and that posted times are conservative as well. Check the CLS forum and you'll see several consistent recorded 0 - 62 times of 3.8 secs. Then keep in mind that the E class is reported to be significantly lighter.

One CLS 63 PP owner just posted a dyno confirming close to 540 wheel HP. Insane.

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Old Sep 7, 2011 | 05:18 PM
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Does anyone know how many lbs a pano roof adds? I am guessing 200-300 lbs.

The reason I ask is this, whether it be a 2012 E63 or a 2012 CLS63, I would not be surprised if a non-panoroof and non-PP car runs 0-60 in the same time as a panoroof and PP car.

Inside line has a pano roof 2010 E63 @ 4.5 to 60 I believe. Car and driver has a non-pano roof E63 @ 4.0 to 60....

of course, a lot more goes into the equation such as whether, humidty etc etc

Thoughts?
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by KEMA
It's widely recognized that the new 5.5 TT engine is underrated and that posted times are conservative as well. Check the CLS forum and you'll see several consistent recorded 0 - 62 times of 3.8 secs. Then keep in mind that the E class is reported to be significantly lighter.

One CLS 63 PP owner just posted a dyno confirming close to 540 wheel HP. Insane.

Ken
Although within this context you might find it interesting to note that my cls 63 (2009) following a tune from DMS now produces 554 hp at the wheel, dyno confirmed.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 07:27 AM
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Although within this context you might find it interesting to note that my cls 63 (2009) following a tune from DMS now produces 554 hp at the wheel, dyno confirmed.
You must be referring to flywheel or crank HP. There is no way the 6.2 engine is producing 554 HP at the wheels with only a tune. Using 18% drive train loss you car would then have to produce 675 HP at the crank. Not happening unless you add a supercharger (Weistec).

The best Long Tube Headers + tune on the 6.2 engine produces approximately 475 HP at the wheels. The SLS can squeeze out upwards of 510 with an aggressive tune and Supersprint headers.

The 5.5 TT on the other hand puts down 483 HP to the wheels in standard configuration, 516 with the PP package and 580 with just a Renntech ECU tune.

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Good post Ken!
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 12:04 PM
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Although within this context you might find it interesting to note that my cls 63 (2009) following a tune from DMS now produces 554 hp at the wheel, dyno confirmed.
Clearly a dyno error here or crank numbers via correction; bring your car to the track and lets see what it does.

As Ken said above you do not have 554 whp on a n/a engine from just a tune. If you posted this claim in the W211 E55 forum you would have been crucified.
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Originally Posted by Vic55
Clearly a dyno error here or crank numbers via correction; bring your car to the track and lets see what it does.

As Ken said above you do not have 554 whp on a n/a engine from just a tune. If you posted this claim in the W211 E55 forum you would have been crucified.
I live in the UK so attending the track is obviously out of the question. However I would be happy to upload the dyno graph so you can see for yourselves.
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Originally Posted by Vic55
Clearly a dyno error here or crank numbers via correction; bring your car to the track and lets see what it does.

As Ken said above you do not have 554 whp on a n/a engine from just a tune. If you posted this claim in the W211 E55 forum you would have been crucified.
So sorry chaps I was wrong! The 554 hp recorded was indded at the crank.
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So sorry chaps I was wrong! The 554 hp recorded was indded at the crank.
Thanks, and a very strong car indeed with 554 at the crank!!
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Sorry if this is slightly off topic, but i have always been curious about how they calculate drive train losses. To me it has always seemed logical for a car to have a set horsepower and torque in drive train losses. What i don't understand is why it is a percent, no matter how much power you have wouldn't the drive train rob the same amount of power? I'm not really trying to prove a point here and honestly don't know what i'm talking about, just seemed odd to me that it is a percentage.

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Thanks, and a very strong car indeed with 554 at the crank!!
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by KEMA
It's widely recognized that the new 5.5 TT engine is underrated and that posted times are conservative as well. Check the CLS forum and you'll see several consistent recorded 0 - 62 times of 3.8 secs. Then keep in mind that the E class is reported to be significantly lighter.

One CLS 63 PP owner just posted a dyno confirming close to 540 wheel HP. Insane.

Ken
They are underrated indeed.
My S63 is showing more legs now,with 14k miles on the clock,activates ESP when really stepping on it up to 70-75mph (in the dry).
Exactly the same as my old SL65.......
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