Sport Auto Test- M5 vs E63 vs Panemera Turbo S
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Sport Auto Test- M5 vs E63 vs Panemera Turbo S
1st place: BMW M5 - 620 hp on the dyno (claimed: 560)
Tires: Michelin Pilot Supersport
Weight: 1963 kg (4,327 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 4.3 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 13.0 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.5 s/5.6 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 12.2 s/15.3 s
18 m slalom: 66.3 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 37.5 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 150.0 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:13.6 min
2nd place: Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 555 hp on the dyno (claimed: 550)
Tires: Michelin Pilot Supersport N0
Weight: 2024 kg (4,462 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 3.7 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 12.4 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.6 s/7.0 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 11.9 s/16.8 s
18 m slalom: 65.0 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 34.9 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 144.2 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:12.1 min
3nd place: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG PP - 610 hp on the dyno (claimed: 557)
Tires: Continental Sport Contact 5P
Weight: 1941 kg (4,279 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 4.4 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 13.2 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.5 s/6.4 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 12.0 s/16.2 s
18 m slalom: 64.9 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 37.5 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 151.8 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:14.6 min
Tires: Michelin Pilot Supersport
Weight: 1963 kg (4,327 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 4.3 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 13.0 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.5 s/5.6 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 12.2 s/15.3 s
18 m slalom: 66.3 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 37.5 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 150.0 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:13.6 min
2nd place: Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 555 hp on the dyno (claimed: 550)
Tires: Michelin Pilot Supersport N0
Weight: 2024 kg (4,462 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 3.7 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 12.4 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.6 s/7.0 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 11.9 s/16.8 s
18 m slalom: 65.0 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 34.9 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 144.2 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:12.1 min
3nd place: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG PP - 610 hp on the dyno (claimed: 557)
Tires: Continental Sport Contact 5P
Weight: 1941 kg (4,279 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 4.4 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 13.2 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.5 s/6.4 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 12.0 s/16.2 s
18 m slalom: 64.9 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 37.5 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 151.8 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:14.6 min
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The times it takes both the Merc and BMW to get to 124 mph do not suggest a 600+bhp car. I'd expect to see 11.7-12.2 from 600 bhp cars. Don't forget that 5000 pound s220 s600 rated at 493 will do 12.2 and 113-117 mph stock.
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great achievement for the e63amg imo, it doesnt have a dct, fancy differential or the michelin pss and look at the time differences to the m5 and p car. if amg makes these changes its bye bye m5 for sure, who would have known amg would close the gap on m div like this.
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nice post..
The AWD and DCT on the Pana S is really the big difference here..
but the M5 and E63 are very close in perfomance.
The E60 and W211 were 2 different cars..
The F10 and W212 are very similar in stock form.. it will now come down to brand loyalty, design preference, and over quality and reliability.. to sway buyers.
I'll take a used version of either in about 3 years..
The AWD and DCT on the Pana S is really the big difference here..
but the M5 and E63 are very close in perfomance.
The E60 and W211 were 2 different cars..
The F10 and W212 are very similar in stock form.. it will now come down to brand loyalty, design preference, and over quality and reliability.. to sway buyers.
I'll take a used version of either in about 3 years..
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
Well said. By the way, you wouldn't be getting mine since I'm keeping mine way longer than that.
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Since Im a modder at heart I like the M157 engine and its potential over the F10- a simple tune brings the car to almost 127mph in traps and 11 seconds in the quarter. The 5.4 engine passes the 4.4 in this regard.
I guess Ill wait to see what the M5 does with its simple tune as I dont keep cars stock.
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Kinda disappointed on E63. I thought the 5.4TT will kick *** to the 4.4TT M5. Not only M5 perform better in acceleration also in handling. Plus, they don't depreciate like AMG 
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The Pilot Super Sport tires clearly gave the M5 that slight edge in acceleration and lap time, and we wont even mention DCT.
The E63 would likely win on the same tires, which also happen to be one size bigger front and back (265/295 M5 vs 255/285 E63).
With all the hype over the M5, it's not a good showing.
It would have been interesting to see the CTS-V in that test also.
The gear pulls don't mean anything as thats just a matter of who had the gearing advantage at that speed.
I just want to know what kind of dyno measures more WHP than Crank HP.
All bow to the Panamera Turbo S
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The M5 runs more stock boost than the PP cars- about 15% more... and another deciding factor is the DCT- the dual clutch tranny is more efficient than the MCT and really does a better job of transfer the power to the ground with less parasitic loss. The Porsche PDK and GTR are prime examples of this amazing transmission.
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No they keep their value much better.
06 M5 still at $30K to $40K
06 E55 $25k to $30k
2000 M5 still $12K
2000 E55 $10k or even less
You can compare from year 1999 to 2010 M5 keep better value and do not drop the price as E class AMG.
06 M5 still at $30K to $40K
06 E55 $25k to $30k
2000 M5 still $12K
2000 E55 $10k or even less
You can compare from year 1999 to 2010 M5 keep better value and do not drop the price as E class AMG.
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2006 M5
04/04/12 UTAH Lease $29,000 47,874 Avg GRAY 10G A Yes
04/12/12 NEVADA Regular $29,200 65,577 Avg Silver 10C A Yes
04/18/12 NJ Lease $25,000 85,676 Below SILVERST 10G A Yes
04/18/12 FT MYERS Regular $25,400 73,641 Avg BLACK 10G A Yes
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2006 E55
03/29/12 PA Regular $28,500 37,778 Avg GRAPHITE 8G Yes
04/03/12 OHIO Regular $28,000 40,282 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/04/12 PALM BCH Lease $27,000 60,490 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/12/12 TAMPA Lease $24,400 56,365 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
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I like to use actuals when talking about resale versus asking prices... These are recent sales of both models (2006 M5 and 2006 E55) and some with similar miles. And since they are both via auction sales the pricing is relative. Of course we can all find one off's for both models that will elevate and drive down the data. These are all within the last month too.
The pricing is closer than one might think.
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All expensive cars depreciate massively, except for rare super exotics that sometimes go up.
Its just hard to find buyers for used cars at prices above what they could pay for somewhat comparable brand new cars.
I guess you could say the Z8 holds its value better than an SL ; )
Its just hard to find buyers for used cars at prices above what they could pay for somewhat comparable brand new cars.
I guess you could say the Z8 holds its value better than an SL ; )
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2006 M5
04/04/12 UTAH Lease $29,000 47,874 Avg GRAY 10G A Yes
04/12/12 NEVADA Regular $29,200 65,577 Avg Silver 10C A Yes
04/18/12 NJ Lease $25,000 85,676 Below SILVERST 10G A Yes
04/18/12 FT MYERS Regular $25,400 73,641 Avg BLACK 10G A Yes
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2006 E55
03/29/12 PA Regular $28,500 37,778 Avg GRAPHITE 8G Yes
04/03/12 OHIO Regular $28,000 40,282 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/04/12 PALM BCH Lease $27,000 60,490 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/12/12 TAMPA Lease $24,400 56,365 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
© 2012 Manheim. All rights
I like to use actuals when talking about resale versus asking prices... These are recent sales of both models (2006 M5 and 2006 E55) and some with similar miles. And since they are both via auction sales the pricing is relative. Of course we can all find one off's for both models that will elevate and drive down the data. These are all within the last month too.
The pricing is closer than one might think.
04/04/12 UTAH Lease $29,000 47,874 Avg GRAY 10G A Yes
04/12/12 NEVADA Regular $29,200 65,577 Avg Silver 10C A Yes
04/18/12 NJ Lease $25,000 85,676 Below SILVERST 10G A Yes
04/18/12 FT MYERS Regular $25,400 73,641 Avg BLACK 10G A Yes
© 2012 Manheim. All rights
2006 E55
03/29/12 PA Regular $28,500 37,778 Avg GRAPHITE 8G Yes
04/03/12 OHIO Regular $28,000 40,282 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/04/12 PALM BCH Lease $27,000 60,490 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
04/12/12 TAMPA Lease $24,400 56,365 Avg BLACK 8G A Yes
© 2012 Manheim. All rights
I like to use actuals when talking about resale versus asking prices... These are recent sales of both models (2006 M5 and 2006 E55) and some with similar miles. And since they are both via auction sales the pricing is relative. Of course we can all find one off's for both models that will elevate and drive down the data. These are all within the last month too.
The pricing is closer than one might think.
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in 2009 the M5 was 3 years old and the E55 was long in the tooth.
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FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
Well, the depreciation is actually a good thing for those waiting to pick up a used one. That's right, let the first owner take the hit.
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A couple of fast cars.
That's because the e39 M5 was the best ever...man, I wish I still mine, but now I'm a power junkie.
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