2015 dodge charger hellcat 707 hp, article :
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New Z06.
Previous generation (c6 Z06) has run a 10.9 on STOCK tires, and a 10.71 on drag tires.
The new generation has 145 more horsepower (650) and more than 220lb-ft more torque in the midrange.
Being 3100lbs and having room for 345s on stock wheels means power mods (its also supercharged) wont just create tire smoke or activate the TC.
Previous generation (c6 Z06) has run a 10.9 on STOCK tires, and a 10.71 on drag tires.
The new generation has 145 more horsepower (650) and more than 220lb-ft more torque in the midrange.
Being 3100lbs and having room for 345s on stock wheels means power mods (its also supercharged) wont just create tire smoke or activate the TC.
(that 10.71 in Z06 was run by Ranger? in super low DA in fall or winter chilly temps, what do you think those same conditions will do to the Hellkat w/better 60' etc etc? Hmm Im betting it's capable of knocking 2 tenths off that 10.85 since if memory serves the 60' on that run was 1.80 something etc etc just knock that down to a respectable 1.70 60' & that knocks 2 tenths off big end ie a possible 10.65 if everything aligns DA temps etc etc
Though I hear the new Z will be offered w/an optional automatic this should get really interesting indeed
But still impressive as hell! We're talking about a full size 4500 lb 4 seat Sh-i-ty-Kitty hanging door to door & quite posibly beating Chevy's top dog Vette (when driven by pro driver only) that weighs nearly 1000 lbs less
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You might wish to wait:
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/hellcat...153000387.html
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/hellcat...153000387.html
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Big difference.. That previous c6 z06 is a manual 6 speed ONLY 1-2 kats in the world can run 10.9 or 10.7 w/out putting it into the wall at the 1/8th mi mark.. The majority of avg owners run 11.50 @ best period.. Having said that the Hellkat offers an 8 speed auto & any dik w/ears including *** Monkey Richard Rollins can click off 10.85 again in blistering heat..
(that 10.71 in Z06 was run by Ranger? in super low DA in fall or winter chilly temps, what do you think those same conditions will do to the Hellkat w/better 60' etc etc? Hmm Im betting it's capable of knocking 2 tenths off that 10.85 since if memory serves the 60' on that run was 1.80 something etc etc just knock that down to a respectable 1.70 60' & that knocks 2 tenths off big end ie a possible 10.65 if everything aligns DA temps etc etc
Though I hear the new Z will be offered w/an optional automatic this should get really interesting indeed But still impressive as hell! We're talking about a full size 4500 lb 4 seat Sh-i-ty-Kitty hanging door to door & quite posibly beating Chevy's top dog Vette (when driven by pro driver only) that weighs nearly 1000 lbs less
(that 10.71 in Z06 was run by Ranger? in super low DA in fall or winter chilly temps, what do you think those same conditions will do to the Hellkat w/better 60' etc etc? Hmm Im betting it's capable of knocking 2 tenths off that 10.85 since if memory serves the 60' on that run was 1.80 something etc etc just knock that down to a respectable 1.70 60' & that knocks 2 tenths off big end ie a possible 10.65 if everything aligns DA temps etc etc
Though I hear the new Z will be offered w/an optional automatic this should get really interesting indeed
But still impressive as hell! We're talking about a full size 4500 lb 4 seat Sh-i-ty-Kitty hanging door to door & quite posibly beating Chevy's top dog Vette (when driven by pro driver only) that weighs nearly 1000 lbs less
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The new Z will be heavier than I expected even knowing the supercharger and related plumbing was going to add weight.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...an-predecessor
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...an-predecessor
That the regular base car has an aluminum frame is new.
That said, the car is down 57hp, 1000lbs, and a bunch of drag on the Dodge. I know where I'm going to put my money.
I'll buy a new Z06 in the 2nd or 3rd year of the model. I did it with the C5 and the C6. Seems they throw a few "learnings" in about then. There's nothing out there like a Z06 for the money.
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Agreed. I'm waiting on the new Z as well and am interested to see how it gets the power down. I just sold this last August in Reno.
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The Nissan gtr and the vette zo6 have always recently been the best bang for the buck IMHO
The hellcats will trump those cars in straight lines and keep $30-40k in customers pockets, and it's gotta be tons cheaper to keep an srt out of warranty compared to an amg...
I hear they have nice popcorn and balloons at the dodge dealer when you buy a car.... Neat
The hellcats will trump those cars in straight lines and keep $30-40k in customers pockets, and it's gotta be tons cheaper to keep an srt out of warranty compared to an amg...
I hear they have nice popcorn and balloons at the dodge dealer when you buy a car.... Neat
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I agree w/most of you gents.. It wouldn't be my style/choice if (was my main ONLY car) but as a 2nd-3rd vehicle Hellkat ya! Another thing to keep in perspective vs ALL our comparos to other much more expensive luxury sedans/coupes/etc we truly love is... By Dodge doing this it will directly (eventually effect the HP wars positively in ALL competing brands, IF the masses who buy these rigs don't kill too many people or owners & reverse these magical times back to 70's when Government stepped in restricting ALL this fun to a super low HP rating for all etc etc)
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with some aftermarket tuning and bolt ons it should be good for a thousand horsepower correct?
and all for $60,000....
with some aftermarket tuning and bolt ons it should be good for a thousand horsepower correct?
and all for $60,000....
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Hellcat Challenger just put down 635HP and 591 lb/ft at the wheels at the K&N dyno
Thats about 722HP and 672 lb/ft at the crank
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-claimed-video
Base Z06 pricing announced at $79k for the coupe and $84k for the droptop
Hellcat Wagon please....
Thats about 722HP and 672 lb/ft at the crank
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-claimed-video
Base Z06 pricing announced at $79k for the coupe and $84k for the droptop
Hellcat Wagon please....
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I love my 2006 E55, but with over 100K miles and nearly nine years in service it is starting to show it’s age (albeit BARELY
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I am an AMG guy...It would have to take A LOT for me to consider another car over a one-year-old E63S.
1) It would have to have tons of power and torque…so much so that I might resist modding the car and voiding the power train warranty
2) If I did decide to mod it there would need to be a large aftermarket of available and affordable parts…not $20k for exhaust, tune and turbo upgrades.
3) An extended warranty should be affordable
4) It should have aggressive styling and a mean rumble
5) It should be a low 11sec car right out of the box, on stock tires with no mods
6) It should be exclusive and interesting
Wait a second…..did I just describe the Charger Hellcat?
I get that these cars will never be as luxurious as an AMG.
They will not have the fit, finnish and engineering of an AMG
They are not AWD
However I can but a Hellcat, deck out the interior with leather, alcantra & a nice stereo… then add headers, meth and tune…get some slicks….and buy a NICE winter car like a used SUV and still have $10K in my pocket compared to the AMG
It is worth a serious look!
)I am an AMG guy...It would have to take A LOT for me to consider another car over a one-year-old E63S.
1) It would have to have tons of power and torque…so much so that I might resist modding the car and voiding the power train warranty
2) If I did decide to mod it there would need to be a large aftermarket of available and affordable parts…not $20k for exhaust, tune and turbo upgrades.
3) An extended warranty should be affordable
4) It should have aggressive styling and a mean rumble
5) It should be a low 11sec car right out of the box, on stock tires with no mods
6) It should be exclusive and interesting
Wait a second…..did I just describe the Charger Hellcat?
I get that these cars will never be as luxurious as an AMG.
They will not have the fit, finnish and engineering of an AMG
They are not AWD
However I can but a Hellcat, deck out the interior with leather, alcantra & a nice stereo… then add headers, meth and tune…get some slicks….and buy a NICE winter car like a used SUV and still have $10K in my pocket compared to the AMG
It is worth a serious look!
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Hellcat Challenger just put down 635HP and 591 lb/ft at the wheels at the K&N dyno
Thats about 722HP and 672 lb/ft at the crank
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-claimed-video
Thats about 722HP and 672 lb/ft at the crank
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-claimed-video
And with a more realistic 18% power loss that gives 774hp (call it 777hp just for good measures)
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I find it encouraging that Dodge's sales are increasing and I hope the publicity the new Charger is getting is beneficial. However, the following study by High Gear points to a lack of satisfaction with the brand. Entitled "5 Car brands customers don't buy twice" it states:
#3. Dodge: 22.88% repeat customers
The newly announced, 707-horsepower Dodge Charger
Dodge is selling well these days, but fewer than one-quarter of buyers are repeat customers. That could be because of the brand's shortcomings on the quality front: Dodge performs below average in initial quality and in the next-to-last spot in terms of dependability, besting bottom-runger Mini by just four points.
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I think the days of 15% driveline power loss among high-hp cars are long gone. I have heard BMW and Mercedes are staying below 10% on all 2wd applications and are looking to use no more than 3% on awd in normal operating conditions.
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Someone needs to test a car on a chassis Dyno that can estimate parasitic losses (transmission, axles, wheels, etc, etc), or test the motor on an engine Dyno, as everything I've seen says drivetrain loses are still around 15-25%
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0311_drivetrain_power_loss/viewall.html
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I love my 2006 E55, but with over 100K miles and nearly nine years in service it is starting to show it’s age (albeit BARELY)
I am an AMG guy...It would have to take A LOT for me to consider another car over a one-year-old E63S.
1) It would have to have tons of power and torque…so much so that I might resist modding the car and voiding the power train warranty
2) If I did decide to mod it there would need to be a large aftermarket of available and affordable parts…not $20k for exhaust, tune and turbo upgrades.
3) An extended warranty should be affordable
4) It should have aggressive styling and a mean rumble
5) It should be a low 11sec car right out of the box, on stock tires with no mods
6) It should be exclusive and interesting
Wait a second…..did I just describe the Charger Hellcat?
I get that these cars will never be as luxurious as an AMG.
They will not have the fit, finnish and engineering of an AMG
They are not AWD
However I can but a Hellcat, deck out the interior with leather, alcantra & a nice stereo… then add headers, meth and tune…get some slicks….and buy a NICE winter car like a used SUV and still have $10K in my pocket compared to the AMG
It is worth a serious look!
)I am an AMG guy...It would have to take A LOT for me to consider another car over a one-year-old E63S.
1) It would have to have tons of power and torque…so much so that I might resist modding the car and voiding the power train warranty
2) If I did decide to mod it there would need to be a large aftermarket of available and affordable parts…not $20k for exhaust, tune and turbo upgrades.
3) An extended warranty should be affordable
4) It should have aggressive styling and a mean rumble
5) It should be a low 11sec car right out of the box, on stock tires with no mods
6) It should be exclusive and interesting
Wait a second…..did I just describe the Charger Hellcat?
I get that these cars will never be as luxurious as an AMG.
They will not have the fit, finnish and engineering of an AMG
They are not AWD
However I can but a Hellcat, deck out the interior with leather, alcantra & a nice stereo… then add headers, meth and tune…get some slicks….and buy a NICE winter car like a used SUV and still have $10K in my pocket compared to the AMG
It is worth a serious look!
And you would mod that dodge that's already wicked fast and potentially lose the factory warranty on a car with some of the worst documented reliability stats (as per the post above), and you would buy a used SUV and incur some risk of reliability there and pay another insurance premium on the additional car?
You could also buy a used vette for $30k and add $10k in mods and achieve similar results but have a better performing car
I like your thoughts and respect them, I just don't agree with the rationale considering you are a self described "amg guy" (you drive a sweet car btw). You buy amg not just for the performance and heritage but for the marque and identification with amg ownership and exclusivity. Similar reason a guy or gal buys a Porsche or Ferrari. Not saying you, but guys that juuust squeeze into a used amg and then fret the maintenance and upkeep shouldn't have been in the amg to begin with
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You could also sell your nice suits and replace them with stafford suits from penny's, drink folgers over Starbucks and shop Payless for shoes and never set foot in a nice steakhouse again.... There's lots of things we could do to be financially "efficient". You gotta do what's right for you ... Even buying that dodge.
And you would mod that dodge that's already wicked fast and potentially lose the factory warranty on a car with some of the worst documented reliability stats (as per the post above), and you would buy a used SUV and incur some risk of reliability there and pay another insurance premium on the additional car?
You could also buy a used vette for $30k and add $10k in mods and achieve similar results but have a better performing car
I like your thoughts and respect them, I just don't agree with the rationale considering you are a self described "amg guy" (you drive a sweet car btw). You buy amg not just for the performance and heritage but for the marque and identification with amg ownership and exclusivity. Similar reason a guy or gal buys a Porsche or Ferrari. Not saying you, but guys that juuust squeeze into a used amg and then fret the maintenance and upkeep shouldn't have been in the amg to begin with
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And you would mod that dodge that's already wicked fast and potentially lose the factory warranty on a car with some of the worst documented reliability stats (as per the post above), and you would buy a used SUV and incur some risk of reliability there and pay another insurance premium on the additional car?
You could also buy a used vette for $30k and add $10k in mods and achieve similar results but have a better performing car
I like your thoughts and respect them, I just don't agree with the rationale considering you are a self described "amg guy" (you drive a sweet car btw). You buy amg not just for the performance and heritage but for the marque and identification with amg ownership and exclusivity. Similar reason a guy or gal buys a Porsche or Ferrari. Not saying you, but guys that juuust squeeze into a used amg and then fret the maintenance and upkeep shouldn't have been in the amg to begin with
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Just an FYI - most people are going to get 11.5-11.7 out of the Hellcat Challenger in the 1/4 mile. Most people. Really good drivers will get better numbers but it's not going to be the norm.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...at-test-review
I've thought this since I first saw the numbers and have been saying it elsewhere for the past couple of months. I LOVE the Dodge Hellcat cars so this is just me speaking my mind...
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...at-test-review
It takes feet as light as a ballerina’s to get the Hellcat to 60 mph in 3.6 seconds—0.1 behind the GT500—and through the quarter-mile in 11.7 at 126 mph.
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Just an FYI - most people are going to get 11.5-11.7 out of the Hellcat Challenger in the 1/4 mile. Most people. Really good drivers will get better numbers but it's not going to be the norm.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...at-test-review
I've thought this since I first saw the numbers and have been saying it elsewhere for the past couple of months. I LOVE the Dodge Hellcat cars so this is just me speaking my mind...
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...at-test-review
I've thought this since I first saw the numbers and have been saying it elsewhere for the past couple of months. I LOVE the Dodge Hellcat cars so this is just me speaking my mind...
What the car is capable of, and what these "testers" can pull out of them are two totally different things
The fact of the matter is that you really cant put a drag radial on another stock 4 door sedan and run anything close.
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11.5-11.7 are street tests on the stock 275's. I'm sure pretty much everyone will be dropping for some wider rubber after the first set is gone within the first 2000 miles.....i've seen video's of these "journalists" launching the car and smoking them for the first 600 feet
What the car is capable of, and what these "testers" can pull out of them are two totally different things
The fact of the matter is that you really cant put a drag radial on another stock 4 door sedan and run anything close.
What the car is capable of, and what these "testers" can pull out of them are two totally different things
The fact of the matter is that you really cant put a drag radial on another stock 4 door sedan and run anything close.
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