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2014 E63S WAGON (On Order), BMW X5 (Gone), E92 M3 (Gone)
it looks pretty sick to me....apart from horrible fuel consumption and german like build quality. Had a chance to drive Jeep SRT 8 the other day, pretty impressive machine, but the buid quality still falls far behind german counterparties. But for almost half of the price, I guess it is good for the value
Can you name another production car that you can get out the box for 60k and 700+ HP???
Best hp for your buck in my opinion. I have an 06 srt8 charger that I am probably going to sell and pick up this chally
2008 Saab 93 TurboX SC (BSR stage 1)/2014 E63 S Wagon (Rebellion Tuned/Renntech Sport Mufflers)
I'd sure get one of these also in lime green please! But maybe as a second car.
Not sure the dealers are going to ask for such big markups... It's still a 20k car sooped up with a big engine.... Time will tell once they hit showrooms.
+1. And many dealers are MSRP only. Q for me is how will it get the power down in real world conditions.
I was lucky enough to drive a Hellcat Challenger and it's pretty awesome.
If someone has to have the first one on the block, they might pay more. They are going to build as many get ordered, so there will be plenty for anyone that wants one.
Build quality of recent Mopars is very good. My E63 is at the dealer right now for a few things including getting the pano roof to stop popping, and to get a buzz out of the rear seat that no one seems to find.
No, it's not a Benz product, but with my E stickering at $120K, is it built twice as well as a $60K car, no way.
Look at the posts, a lot of people are very unhappy with Benz build quality. I do like my E, but Im not getting another one.
I was lucky enough to drive a Hellcat Challenger and it's pretty awesome.
If someone has to have the first one on the block, they might pay more. They are going to build as many get ordered, so there will be plenty for anyone that wants one.
Build quality of recent Mopars is very good. My E63 is at the dealer right now for a few things including getting the pano roof to stop popping, and to get a buzz out of the rear seat that no one seems to find.
No, it's not a Benz product, but with my E stickering at $120K, is it built twice as well as a $60K car, no way.
Look at the posts, a lot of people are very unhappy with Benz build quality. I do like my E, but Im not getting another one.
They'll probably retain their value better than the Benz too
I also bought the Benz for the cache.... The dodge just doesn't offer that
There's a point of diminishing returns with build quality and Msrp. $60k with a warranty for a muscle car is pretty sweet....plus mopar maintenance is cheaper than Benz
Wouldn't have this as a second car or a primary car... Sweet ride nonetheless
2013 SL63, 2014 E63S Estate, 1995 300ZX Twin Turbo (gone but not forgotten), 2015 SQ5
I would like to see the average driver launch one of these at a stoplight! Hopefully the rear end will go toward the ditch and not toward the other cars.
Lol you doubters/haters are the blind leading the blind.. Motortrend tested the Hellcat on UNPREPPED asphalt on STOCK rubber on 20" wheels no less.. Driven by 1 of Motortrends desk jockies (It has a far better quicker shifting more aggressive trans w/better gearing than our MB's barring DSG in SLS) and the Hellcat hooked better & ran faster/quicker than ANY BONE STOCK awd E63s here PERIOD... Again these times are on UNPREPPED asphalt, new modern auto trans w/race launch is point and shoot, get over yourselves MB isn't the end all in best perf/fastest auto by a long shot..
What about the 11.2-second quarter-mile time that Dodge has been trumpeting to the world? Well, half a second (11.7 seconds versus 11.2) is the difference between a prepped VHT surface and the street. All Motor Trend testing is done on asphalt, while Dodge got its big number on the strip.*Now a word about trap speeds. 125 mph is insane.
Here's the part you've been waiting for. Our best run in the Hellcat resulted in 0-60 mph in 3.7 seconds before whacking the quarter mile upside the head in 11.7 seconds at 125.4 mph.*Read more:*http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz3AOzmwZDd
When Dodge JUST added drag tires to their 20" stock wheels down a proper VHT prepped track ALL else being STOCK, it ran 10.85 @126+mph in blazing summer heat in Texas.
Here's some comparative data for you. The 991 Porsche 911 Turbo S can hammer home the quarter mile in just 10.9 seconds (on Pirelli P Zeros, coincidently) but its trap speed is only 123.7 mph. The quicker time is due to better traction at launch (thanks, AWD!) but the Dodge -- which costs a third the entry price of the porker, about $60K versus $180K -- is going faster at the end of 1320 feet. And since stoplight-to-stoplight racing is never GPS-tracked ... You get my point. Look at the 2014 Nissan GT-R Track Edition. That flavor of Godzilla does the quarter in 11.0 seconds flat, but is "only" trapping at 125.1 mph. OK, so the Hellcat's barely faster, but here's the point -- it's faster.*Conclusion. Get some fatter, stickier rear meats for the Challenger Hellcat and it really does have the intestinal fortitude to embarrass cars costing double and triple the price
Better inform yourselves before spreading all the disinformation.. Note worthy differences the Hellcat runs fat heavy 275 front & rear tires, dump the heavy 20" oem wheels and add light 18" setup w/skinny's up front on true drag tires in proper cool air at sea level track still running everything else in STOCK form & see what this Hellcat is truly capable of..
AMS recently ran much lighter new awd E63 S adding drag tires, ECU tune, down pipes, full exhaust and ONLY matched Dodges 10.85 but ran ran 3 mph faster w/all above mods.. Give the Hellcat similar mods to a Supercharged platform & what do you figure we'll see
Edit: Only bone stock 2014 E63 S run on Dragtimes in far cooler February air at sea level track (PBIR) ran 11.75 @ 121 mph again apples to apples Dodge ran what? In July heat? 11.20 @125 mph & w/drag tires 10.85 @ 126 again on heavy 20"s w/275's in the front & rear vs E63 S on lighter 19" wheels w/255's up front & fatter 285's in rear etc etc.. http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-26257.html
Last edited by Thericker; Aug 14, 2014 at 06:46 PM.
2014 E63S WAGON (On Order), BMW X5 (Gone), E92 M3 (Gone)
Originally Posted by Thericker
Lol you doubters/haters are the blind leading the blind.. Motortrend tested the Hellcat on UNPREPPED asphalt on STOCK rubber on 20" wheels no less! Driven by 1 of Motortrends desk jockies (It has a far better quicker shifting more aggressive trans w/better gearing than our MB's barring DSG in SLS) and the Hellcat hooked better & ran faster/quicker than ANY BONE STOCK awd E63s here PERIOD... Again these times are on UNPREPPED asphalt, new modern auto trans w/race launch is point and shoot, get over yourselves MB isn't the end all in best perf/fastest auto by a long shot..
When Dodge JUST added drag tires to their 20" stock wheels down a proper VHT prepped track ALL else being STOCK, it ran 10.85 @126+mph in blazing summer heat in Texas.
Better inform yourselves before spreading all the disinformation.. Note worthy differences the Hellcat runs fat heavy 275 front & rear tires, dump the heavy 20" oem wheels and add light 18" setup w/skinny's up front on true drag tires in proper cool air at sea level track still running everything else in STOCK form & see what this Hellcat is truly capable of..
AMS recently ran much lighter new awd E63 S adding drag tires, ECU tune, down pipes, full exhaust and ONLY matched Dodges 10.85 but ran ran 3 mph faster w/all above mods.. Give the Hellcat similar mods to a Supercharged platform & what do you figure we'll see
I don't think you should call us haters as most of us here are impressed by the figures from the dodge.
It is difficult to compare this dodge to E63 as they fall in totally different categories. SRT owners may think M and AMG suck in value, but most of us would not even track the car at all and rather want AWD with comfort and luxury while maintaining the perfomance. I am sure when people in the market to shop a $130K plus sedan or wagon would not put those hardcore muscle cars on their list. At least I did not.
I don't think you should call us haters as most of us here are impressed by the figures from the dodge.
It is difficult to compare this dodge to E63 as they fall in totally different categories. SRT owners may think M and AMG suck in value, but most of us would not even track the car at all and rather want AWD with comfort and luxury while maintaining the perfomance. I am sure when people in the market to shop a $130K plus sedan or wagon would not put those hardcore muscle cars on their list. At least I did not.
just my $0.02
Wasn't referring to you, or majority in the know here.. I didn't want to call out the poster by name/handle etc though it should be quite obvious who I was aiming this post at As for comparo to e63 S? We are in the E63 forum & majority posting here list owning e63 S etc
Last edited by Thericker; Aug 14, 2014 at 05:54 PM.
2013 SL63, 2014 E63S Estate, 1995 300ZX Twin Turbo (gone but not forgotten), 2015 SQ5
Originally Posted by jordanfox
I don't think you should call us haters as most of us here are impressed by the figures from the dodge.
It is difficult to compare this dodge to E63 as they fall in totally different categories. SRT owners may think M and AMG suck in value, but most of us would not even track the car at all and rather want AWD with comfort and luxury while maintaining the perfomance. I am sure when people in the market to shop a $130K plus sedan or wagon would not put those hardcore muscle cars on their list. At least I did not.
just my $0.02
+1 This argument goes back to the late 1960's when Chrysler put a hemi in a mid-sized car, called it a Roadrunner, and even offered it with a bench seat and column shifted automatic. There were much more luxurious muscle cars but all found buyers. I know, my wife had a 455HO Supreme SX - a sleeper of a luxury muscle car (even had a vinyl roof!).
I'm sure that there will be people who enjoy both cars - so why the conflict? We should all be glad that the days of performance sedans (and wagons) has returned!
Lol you doubters/haters are the blind leading the blind.. Motortrend tested the Hellcat on UNPREPPED asphalt on STOCK rubber on 20" wheels no less.. Driven by 1 of Motortrends desk jockies (It has a far better quicker shifting more aggressive trans w/better gearing than our MB's barring DSG in SLS) and the Hellcat hooked better & ran faster/quicker than ANY BONE STOCK awd E63s here PERIOD... Again these times are on UNPREPPED asphalt, new modern auto trans w/race launch is point and shoot, get over yourselves MB isn't the end all in best perf/fastest auto by a long shot..
When Dodge JUST added drag tires to their 20" stock wheels down a proper VHT prepped track ALL else being STOCK, it ran 10.85 @126+mph in blazing summer heat in Texas.
Better inform yourselves before spreading all the disinformation.. Note worthy differences the Hellcat runs fat heavy 275 front & rear tires, dump the heavy 20" oem wheels and add light 18" setup w/skinny's up front on true drag tires in proper cool air at sea level track still running everything else in STOCK form & see what this Hellcat is truly capable of..
AMS recently ran much lighter new awd E63 S adding drag tires, ECU tune, down pipes, full exhaust and ONLY matched Dodges 10.85 but ran ran 3 mph faster w/all above mods.. Give the Hellcat similar mods to a Supercharged platform & what do you figure we'll see
Edit: Only bone stock 2014 E63 S run on Dragtimes in far cooler February air at sea level track (PBIR) ran 11.75 @ 121 mph again apples to apples Dodge ran what? In July heat? 11.20 @125 mph & w/drag tires 10.85 @ 126 again on heavy 20"s w/275's in the front & rear vs E63 S on lighter 19" wheels w/255's up front & fatter 285's in rear etc etc.. http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-26257.html
No question the Charger SRT Hellcat is an awesome drag car. The ETs and trap speeds are amazing for a $60k car. I doubt it could hold a candle to the E63S in the twisties and its interior looks very cheap as compared to the E63 S but it is not a competitor car--it is a red blooded American muscle car. And for that group it annihilates the competition.
Now which car would I want as a killer DD? The E63 S by a mile. But it is almost twice the price and is in a totally different class of car.
AMS recently ran much lighter new awd E63 S adding drag tires, ECU tune, down pipes, full exhaust and ONLY matched Dodges 10.85 but ran ran 3 mph faster w/all above mods.. Give the Hellcat similar mods to a Supercharged platform & what do you figure we'll see
Edit: Only bone stock 2014 E63 S run on Dragtimes in far cooler February air at sea level track (PBIR) ran 11.75 @ 121 mph again apples to apples Dodge ran what? In July heat? 11.20 @125 mph & w/drag tires 10.85 @ 126 again on heavy 20"s w/275's in the front & rear vs E63 S on lighter 19" wheels w/255's up front & fatter 285's in rear etc etc.. http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-26257.html
AMS 2014 E63, with only a tune/downpipe/exhaust ran consistent 10's, and that was with aftermarket 20" rims AND street tires:
No question the Charger SRT Hellcat is an awesome drag car. The ETs and trap speeds are amazing for a $60k car. I doubt it could hold a candle to the E63S in the twisties and its interior looks very cheap as compared to the E63 S but it is not a competitor car--it is a red blooded American muscle car. And for that group it annihilates the competition.
Now which car would I want as a killer DD? The E63 S by a mile. But it is almost twice the price and is in a totally different class of car.
Excellent points, never meant comparo for interior etc. Funny now you're sounding like BMW fans when they realize they'll be beaten straight line w/consumate "We'll get you in the twisties"
All the talk here was about pure straight line perf, why add the interior/handling etc etc? It's a straight line psycopath right outta the box. As you pointed out a bargain at that & will not include everything for $60k brand new lol.. No need to point out the obvious it's NOT going to replace an E63 S when all areas OTHER than straight line speed is mentioned. The Hellcat, is a blunt extremely violent tool vs a precise elegant masterpiece..
Last edited by Thericker; Aug 14, 2014 at 07:54 PM.
I was only going by what MB lists as stock equipment for e63 S, good to know it was on 20's too but what size? Bet the fronts wern't huge 275's though again add drag radials to awd and perf isn't going to increase much if anything vs rwd Hellcat that runs same 10.85 all day long too..
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As for comparo to e63 S? We are in the E63 forum & majority posting here list owning e63 S etc
again add drag radials to awd and perf isn't going to increase much if anything vs rwd Hellcat that runs same 10.85 all day long too..
