One sweet ride - if I did not need a car in winter I would probably get one .

Yes, some dealerships are already asking for $20k more than MSRP.

I don't know how much more the engine can take without internal modifications. I have a feeling we're not going to see many highly modified Hellcat equipped Dodge's...

Fuel consumption is actually pretty good for the Hellcat equipped vehicles...

Yup, as mentioned above, dealers are already asking for $20k above MSRP. There probably won't be too many of these on the road. I won't be worried at all when I run into one.

Dealers can't order any yet, so there is no $20K markup. There is not going to be any limit on the builds, so everyone that wants one will be able to get one.

I can't say every dealer is going to mark them up but an acquaintance who's currently buying a Dodge had a conversation about the Challenger Hellcat with his salesman and was told there will be a $20k markup at that specific dealership. I'm sure many, if not most, will follow suit.

Agreed there will be a lotta markup early on I suspect

Just curious guys what do you all think this car could produce with all the basic bolt on's that we have usually put on our AMG's? Like ECU/TCU tuning, fulters, intake, TB upgrades, Cam upgrade, Headers, Straight Piped, upgraded HE and intercooler pump, pulley's, etc..? 1,000 hp and 1,000 lb/ft of torque is not readily available? There is an article somewhere talking about how some of the head engineers at dodge said this engine is good for over 1,000 hp and still be in the green safe range.....so isn't that another way of saying that the tuners could easily push it to 1,200 or 1,300 HP if they wanted to ?

And what about replacing the supercharger with a much larger unit, the Hellcat comes with a very small 1.7 or 1.9 liter supercharger correct? What about replacing with a 3.0 liter Weistec type or KenneBelle or even bigger 3.6 or 4 liter supercharger? Wondering how the engine would hold up heat wise in the high humidity south in the summertime in bumper to bumper traffic with all the bolt on's and tuning applied to it......

I doubt there will be much cross shopping, especially in the wagons.

Interesting car. Clearly 700hp is well within the capability of any of the big car makers.

The new Z06 is 650hp, yes? In a 3100lb car. I dont doubt it will out-drive the Hellcats in any situation short of 2 passengers.

All that said, I have a 10 second C6 Z06 and I very rarely drive it. The E63 is so comfortable and convenient in all conditions.

I sound like an old man :-/

I think the beauty of this hellcat deal, charger or challenger, is that it's wicked powerful and comes with a factory warranty ...

How much more power do you need on the street... It's already overpowered for the street. Do most people drag racing at the track have factory warranties covering their rides?

I would argue that 707hp isnt too much for the street, but...

- a clutch that holds 700lb-ft is a pain in the *** in traffic.
- a tire that will put 700lb-ft down won't last more than 5k miles.
- like any manufacturer putting 500+ hp in the hands of anyone with the key, the TC/AH is going to be aggressive and quick. Add a 200+ treadwear tire and the car will just sit on reduced power through 1st, 2nd, and 3rd unless the driver turns it off. Something most people dont have much of a desire to repeatedly do.

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer here... There's just a lot more to cars than horsepower and torque... and I have never once looked at a Charger or Challenger and thought "I'd love one of those, if only it was faster."

And where in the world will even 1 out of 100 customers realize that it goes 204 mph???? West Texas?

You make excellent points..

This thread is civil and well articulated, and no dodge or benz bashing going on (yet)... but even if the hellcat came with 900hp for $40k and AWD, I still would never feel in it like I do in the Benz... will some on other forums say I got ripped off by Benz for a slower car for double the price .. sure they will, but they gotta bash something and I know why i bought the benz.

Message is authentic. I concur.

I love it. Great competition for everyone. Can't wait for the next 4 door compare between this car , the e63 m5 and rs7. Obviously the Germans quality is a step above but performance wise it's gonna be great.
Some of you are clearly butt hurt and that's ok. :0) By the way the car has forged internals from what I read. And even though dodges computers are hard to get in and tune , you can rest assure we will see pulley/tune on this motor soon. Just too much potential not to. I also read a 6 speed dynoed almost 650 stock. We could be close to 800 rwhp by this time next year..again this is great for competition and that's what's it's all about. Some of you have taken this like a personal challenge to the E63 and for car guys like me who also have a 335 and h/c c6 z06 , we just love great competition..that's what's it all about. Having many choices. Can you imagine if everyone drove the same thing? Actually is kill myself if I had to drive a carolla hahaha

I would venture to guess that most people that are lookin at $100k+ cars for high performance (e, rs7, m) aren't also going to shop the dodge hellcats... These people also want to be in a higher regarded marque like a Benz, bmw or audi, Maserati jag etc

That's just the reality. For those not able to afford a $100k car, the $60k hellcat is a great car to get similar performance but most will not confuse the dodge for a true luxury marque

Love the Dodge! A true muscle-car with good looks and OK (should not expect more) interior.

If I lived in the south, would seriously consider as my second car or weekend car. Yes, lambo/ferrari is "better","fancier", but there is something to be said about old-school raw power and looks....

off topic.... but this is one other option to look at if you want "really old-school"
http://www.classic-recreations.com/

265 front 295 rear

900 HP and $40K? I'd buy one for me and my friends!!

Enjoy your dodge!!

Ummm…I would but they aren't $40K and don't have 900 HP

Ok, thanks

Damn shots fired. Lol. But no on a serious note , I can't wait to see some roll races between the German four doors vs this car.

Thing to remember about this beast.. Stock for Stock Nothing under $180k-$200k will touch it.. Add Drag tires to it and ANY of it's otherwise Stock rivals & tell me which car can click off 10.85 in the middle of July TX heat..

Lamborghini, mclaren, and Ferrari are toast! Better close up shop ... Lol (just kidding, no offense)

The dodge numbers are impressive. Glad you like it

love HP wars.. And Dodge has just seriously raised the bar.. But would I want it OVER an E63 S... Hmmm nope.. I love a car that does/has it all luxury/looks/etc even if it takes an ECU tune w/dwn pipes to match it Now if I could have BOTH???? no brainer they'd be tucked in nicely side by side in the garage.. Tho I'd prefer Dodge to shoehorn that 707 into an SRT8 AWD now we'd be talkin' perfection inmop

New Z06.

Previous generation (c6 Z06) has run a 10.9 on STOCK tires, and a 10.71 on drag tires.

The new generation has 145 more horsepower (650) and more than 220lb-ft more torque in the midrange.

Being 3100lbs and having room for 345s on stock wheels means power mods (its also supercharged) wont just create tire smoke or activate the TC.