Why is m5 faster that e63s
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M5 will murder everything on wheels and four doors. From a roll start. Rs7 is basically same as e63s. Wins on a 1/4 mile but falls back from a roll start.
The whole point of this thread wasnt even about which is faster on a roll. Because m5 is faster for a fact.
It was more about why a more powerfull car(wheel horespower) loses to a less powerfull car.
The whole point of this thread wasnt even about which is faster on a roll. Because m5 is faster for a fact.
It was more about why a more powerfull car(wheel horespower) loses to a less powerfull car.
lol ok troll. Now back to bimmerworld you go, hope you feel better about yourself bc M5 is faster from a roll.
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http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38800
Last edited by gaspam; Jul 27, 2016 at 01:24 PM.
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the guy with the 9.9 sec f10 M5 runs 5.0 100-200
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38759
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38759
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look at my updated link... his 5.0 got beat by himself to 4.8
and vasily's car is amazing, but its one off, you cant buy his setup for under 100K ... allmotor_2000 (the f10 m5) guy, you can replicate his setup pretty easily for reasonable cost as his setup is :
Pure S1 Turbos ($2,750
)
Upgraded Clutch ($2500)
Ice Tank ($200)
AMS DP ($1800)
BPM Tune (~$3,000)
BMS JB4 + BCM ($1050)
BMS Intakes ($600)
RPI Exhaust ($4500)
DSS 1200hp Axles ($1200)
TOTAL Parts/tuning = $17,600
hopefully the $22K weistec W4 turbo/tune only kit is a game changer for us M157 guys, but we will have to wait and see
and vasily's car is amazing, but its one off, you cant buy his setup for under 100K ... allmotor_2000 (the f10 m5) guy, you can replicate his setup pretty easily for reasonable cost as his setup is :
Pure S1 Turbos ($2,750
)Upgraded Clutch ($2500)
Ice Tank ($200)
AMS DP ($1800)
BPM Tune (~$3,000)
BMS JB4 + BCM ($1050)
BMS Intakes ($600)
RPI Exhaust ($4500)
DSS 1200hp Axles ($1200)
TOTAL Parts/tuning = $17,600
hopefully the $22K weistec W4 turbo/tune only kit is a game changer for us M157 guys, but we will have to wait and see
Last edited by gaspam; Jul 27, 2016 at 01:47 PM.
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he is not full weight if I'm reading right , Vasilii swapped the seats I think , any way I'm full weight and pump gas , no meth , it's faster than average M5 , and my mode list isn't that bad and long . turbos , tune , DP's , valve body
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And honestly, I would trade a few tenths on the 100-200kmh time for the ability to dominate from a dig, without the need for VHT and drag radials.
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I ask because you keep attempting to discredit everyone else's references but only cite one lonely entertainment article as gospel. I don't give American car magazine tests much more credit than I would the rags at the check out counter of my grocery store. They always play up to their sponsors. So NO, R&T isn't good enough for me...
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Coming from RWD cars that have high power/trq outputs it all becomes pointless the more you add, as you will not be able to run it consistently unless certain conditions are met
If we are talking the streets:
- Dig races are out of the question, unless you run drag wheel setup, which is not optimal for day to day (noise, comfort, wear, cost, high speed safety). 1rst & 2nd gear become pointless...
- Roll on races keep going up and up in starting speed, with the more power you add
- Can only run the car on remote, or isolated roads and silly hours of the day to insure they are empty, if you want to push it hard.
- A realistic fact you should ask your self, how often do you do triple digits and maintain them?
For Track events:
- Drag wheel/ tire setup
- VHT preped track
- Race weight savings
- Meth/race fuel (adders)
- 1/4 fuel tank
- Best weather conditions
- Driver mod
Then you have an AWD drive car,that just negates a lot of the above and gives you the power on tap at any speed, which frankly is a refreshing change and just more optimal and user friendly for day to day needs
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look at my updated link... his 5.0 got beat by himself to 4.8
and vasily's car is amazing, but its one off, you cant buy his setup for under 100K ... allmotor_2000 (the f10 m5) guy, you can replicate his setup pretty easily for reasonable cost as his setup is :
Pure S1 Turbos ($2,750)
Upgraded Clutch ($2500)
Ice Tank ($200)
AMS DP ($1800)
BPM Tune (~$3,000)
BMS JB4 + BCM ($1050)
BMS Intakes ($600)
RPI Exhaust ($4500)
DSS 1200hp Axles ($1200)
TOTAL Parts/tuning = $17,600
hopefully the $22K weistec W4 turbo/tune only kit is a game changer for us M157 guys, but we will have to wait and see
and vasily's car is amazing, but its one off, you cant buy his setup for under 100K ... allmotor_2000 (the f10 m5) guy, you can replicate his setup pretty easily for reasonable cost as his setup is :
Pure S1 Turbos ($2,750
)Upgraded Clutch ($2500)
Ice Tank ($200)
AMS DP ($1800)
BPM Tune (~$3,000)
BMS JB4 + BCM ($1050)
BMS Intakes ($600)
RPI Exhaust ($4500)
DSS 1200hp Axles ($1200)
TOTAL Parts/tuning = $17,600
hopefully the $22K weistec W4 turbo/tune only kit is a game changer for us M157 guys, but we will have to wait and see
Why can't Pure make turbos for M157?
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im sure if there was enough interest they would.... problem is there are like only like 5-10 people on this forum that want upgraded turbos.... and probably even less that want turbos that dont come with a tune (Pure just does the hardware, you still have to go get a BCM and custom tune to make them work on your car)... most people on here that do want to buy a bigger turbo, want a plug and play kit w/tune already figured out
they actually do make replacement turbos for mercedes sprinter vans
they actually do make replacement turbos for mercedes sprinter vans
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im sure if there was enough interest they would.... problem is there are like only like 5-10 people on this forum that want upgraded turbos.... and probably even less that want turbos that dont come with a tune (Pure just does the hardware, you still have to go get a BCM and custom tune to make them work on your car)... most people on here that do want to buy a bigger turbo, want a plug and play kit w/tune already figured out
they actually do make replacement turbos for mercedes sprinter vans
they actually do make replacement turbos for mercedes sprinter vans
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This!
Coming from RWD cars that have high power/trq outputs it all becomes pointless the more you add, as you will not be able to run it consistently unless certain conditions are met
If we are talking the streets:
For Track events:
Then you have an AWD drive car,that just negates a lot of the above and gives you the power on tap at any speed, which frankly is a refreshing change and just more optimal and user friendly for day to day needs
Coming from RWD cars that have high power/trq outputs it all becomes pointless the more you add, as you will not be able to run it consistently unless certain conditions are met
If we are talking the streets:
- Dig races are out of the question, unless you run drag wheel setup, which is not optimal for day to day (noise, comfort, wear, cost, high speed safety). 1rst & 2nd gear become pointless...
- Roll on races keep going up and up in starting speed, with the more power you add
- Can only run the car on remote, or isolated roads and silly hours of the day to insure they are empty, if you want to push it hard.
- A realistic fact you should ask your self, how often do you do triple digits and maintain them?
For Track events:
- Drag wheel/ tire setup
- VHT preped track
- Race weight savings
- Meth/race fuel (adders)
- 1/4 fuel tank
- Best weather conditions
- Driver mod
Then you have an AWD drive car,that just negates a lot of the above and gives you the power on tap at any speed, which frankly is a refreshing change and just more optimal and user friendly for day to day needs
I eventually upgraded my '13 F10 M5 with a BMS tune, AMS catted downpipes, and Agency Power carbon fiber conical intakes (added to my Supersprint race mufflers). When I went to the track I couldn't match my previous 1/4 mile ET with the stock Michelin PSS's. I was just not able to put the power down effectively, although I trapped 5+mph faster. Also when the weather was cold the additional power was pretty useless at legal speeds, as even up past 60mph the Michelin Pilot Super Sports would just spin if you mashed the throttle and the DCT downshifted.
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Still, Pure Turbos for M5 are significantly cheaper than these turbine wheel "turbo upgrades" for the M157. Add in tuning, dyno time, etc. and you're still less than half the price than anything Mercedes tuners sell. Just admit it, these guys are taking good advantage of their profit margins.
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Exactly right!
I eventually upgraded my '13 F10 M5 with a BMS tune, AMS catted downpipes, and Agency Power carbon fiber conical intakes (added to my Supersprint race mufflers). When I went to the track I couldn't match my previous 1/4 mile ET with the stock Michelin PSS's. I was just not able to put the power down effectively, although I trapped 5+mph faster. Also when the weather was cold the additional power was pretty useless at legal speeds, as even up past 60mph the Michelin Pilot Super Sports would just spin if you mashed the throttle and the DCT downshifted.
I eventually upgraded my '13 F10 M5 with a BMS tune, AMS catted downpipes, and Agency Power carbon fiber conical intakes (added to my Supersprint race mufflers). When I went to the track I couldn't match my previous 1/4 mile ET with the stock Michelin PSS's. I was just not able to put the power down effectively, although I trapped 5+mph faster. Also when the weather was cold the additional power was pretty useless at legal speeds, as even up past 60mph the Michelin Pilot Super Sports would just spin if you mashed the throttle and the DCT downshifted.
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