Why is m5 faster that e63s
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"That's the word according to M division's CEO Frank van Meel. Speaking with Autocar, he said rear-wheel drive would always remain the default configuration for M cars, but an all-wheel-drive option was inevitable. It will have to be rear-biased and will be different than xDrive, but it will still send power to all four wheels".
However, it may be a unique RWD that send power to the front when needed or something along the lines. I guess we see it officially when its released.
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Yeah last year I was talking to the service rep and he stated AWD was in the works for m5/m6. But I read on bimmerpost that next gen M5 is to stay RWD.
"That's the word according to M division's CEO Frank van Meel. Speaking with Autocar, he said rear-wheel drive would always remain the default configuration for M cars, but an all-wheel-drive option was inevitable. It will have to be rear-biased and will be different than xDrive, but it will still send power to all four wheels".
However, it may be a unique RWD that send power to the front when needed or something along the lines. I guess we see it officially when its released.
"That's the word according to M division's CEO Frank van Meel. Speaking with Autocar, he said rear-wheel drive would always remain the default configuration for M cars, but an all-wheel-drive option was inevitable. It will have to be rear-biased and will be different than xDrive, but it will still send power to all four wheels".
However, it may be a unique RWD that send power to the front when needed or something along the lines. I guess we see it officially when its released.
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Yes, and the M division was also only devoted to cars, would never use FI and would never dream of not offering a true manual.
2 of those beloved M ideologys are gone and the third on its way out the door also.
Hardcore M guys don't float the M financial boat, car sales do. M can't compete with AMG and Audi in snowbelt states without awd.
2 of those beloved M ideologys are gone and the third on its way out the door also.
Hardcore M guys don't float the M financial boat, car sales do. M can't compete with AMG and Audi in snowbelt states without awd.
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Yes, and the M division was also only devoted to cars, would never use FI and would never dream of not offering a true manual.
2 of those beloved M ideologys are gone and the third on its way out the door also.
Hardcore M guys don't float the M financial boat, car sales do. M can't compete with AMG and Audi in snowbelt states without awd.
2 of those beloved M ideologys are gone and the third on its way out the door also.
Hardcore M guys don't float the M financial boat, car sales do. M can't compete with AMG and Audi in snowbelt states without awd.
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Yes, and the M division was also only devoted to cars, would never use FI and would never dream of not offering a true manual.
2 of those beloved M ideologys are gone and the third on its way out the door also.
Hardcore M guys don't float the M financial boat, car sales do. M can't compete with AMG and Audi in snowbelt states without awd.
2 of those beloved M ideologys are gone and the third on its way out the door also.
Hardcore M guys don't float the M financial boat, car sales do. M can't compete with AMG and Audi in snowbelt states without awd.
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You need to relax with thinking your opion is fact when it comes to cars. It's been widely known for more than year they were going awd.
http://jalopnik.com/bmw-says-all-whe...oon-1679558822
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...re-inevitable/
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You think the awd is needed because they (BMW) need to compete with other high performance cars in snow ... Or that they want to compete with sub 3 second 0-60's which is becoming the norm among these cars? If that was the case the c63 should also be awd as many more of these are sold compared to e63/S
Both. With the ever increasing power these days, street traction becomes an issue and the perception on it being undrivable in inclement weather is also a problem.
Let's face it, these are DD mobiles for most and thought of 600 rwd hp in the snow/rain, regardless of tire, is not some thing that inspires confidence in many.
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Both. With the ever increasing power these days, street traction becomes an issue and the perception on it being undrivable in inclement weather is also a problem.
Let's face it, these are DD mobiles for most and thought of 600 rwd hp in the snow/rain, regardless of tire, is not some thing that inspires confidence in many.
Let's face it, these are DD mobiles for most and thought of 600 rwd hp in the snow/rain, regardless of tire, is not some thing that inspires confidence in many.
The awd system in the x5 M seems to work very well... Anyone know what type of awd system this is ... Fixed split?
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xDrive is the permanent all-wheel drive system from BMW: under normal circumstances, it distributes driver power between the front and rear axles in a 40:60 ratio, and changes this figure variably when the road surface or overall driving conditions change.
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Acting virtually instantaneously and a manner so subtle as to be go virtually unnoticed by the vehicle's occupants, xDrive can direct up to 100% of drive forces to one axle. Enabling the driver to start up effortlessly even on slippery surfaces or steep hills, xDrive routes all power to the axles with the greatest traction. When parking, the system reacts to the need for high maneuverability at low speed by opening the clutch completely so the powertrain functions optimally.
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Both. With the ever increasing power these days, street traction becomes an issue and the perception on it being undrivable in inclement weather is also a problem.
Let's face it, these are DD mobiles for most and thought of 600 rwd hp in the snow/rain, regardless of tire, is not some thing that inspires confidence in many.
Let's face it, these are DD mobiles for most and thought of 600 rwd hp in the snow/rain, regardless of tire, is not some thing that inspires confidence in many.
Where I live we get like 7-8 months of long dark winters so have AWD is a must especially since i love to DD my M5 with all the luxury and comfort it comes with.
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BMW M vehicles typically used manuals and semi-automatic transmissions (the most recent type being a dual clutch transmission), in contrast to Mercedes-AMG which largely has automatic transmissions (the 7-speed AMG SpeedShift MCT dual clutch transmission was used on new models from 2009 onward). However, the BMW X5 M and X6 M were the first M-vehicles offered with automatic transmission, a 6-speed Steptronic unit, since this works with xDrive.
BMW M engines were traditionally low displacement naturally aspirated high revving engines, particularly the S85 V10 in the E60 M5 and E63 M6 and the related S65 V8 in the E90 M3. These are the most powerful engines BMW has ever built (not including the BMW S70/2) without supercharging or turbocharging, with an output of 100 hp per liter of displacement, and each has won numerous International Engine of the Year Awards.[9][11] [12] As late as the early 2000s, BMW regarded forced-induction (supercharging or turbocharging) as low-tech shortcuts to boosting horsepower, stating that this adds weight and complexity while reducing throttle response.[10] BMW purists have noted that while forced induction and/or large displacement does produce more torque for better day-to-day driving, most of them like the "character" and sound of low displacement naturally aspirated engines with high redlines.[13]
You want people to respect your opinion and treat you with respect. But you need to stop acting like a punk. You claim you're an intelligent person, start acting like one.
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So I'm still convinced it's PDOOMA (Pulled Directly Out Of My ***). In this case, yours.
Saying you pulled something out of your *** (which I see a lot around here), isn't being a punk. It's calling BS on a statement for which you can't prove. I have posted around here in other threads and am quite civil. Being a punk is passive aggressively asserting yourself as an authority, being sarcastic, and dismissing/rejecting another person's ideas in a sarcastic manner (for which I'm giving you a dose of your own medicine)
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That link proved absolutely nothing to support your point.
So I'm still convinced it's PDOOMA (Pulled Directly Out Of My ***). In this case, yours.
Saying you pulled something out of your *** (which I see a lot around here), isn't being a punk. It's calling BS on a statement for which you can't prove. I have posted around here in other threads and am quite civil. Being a punk is passive aggressively asserting yourself as an authority, being sarcastic, and dismissing/rejecting another person's ideas in a sarcastic manner (for which I'm giving you a dose of your own medicine)
So I'm still convinced it's PDOOMA (Pulled Directly Out Of My ***). In this case, yours.
Saying you pulled something out of your *** (which I see a lot around here), isn't being a punk. It's calling BS on a statement for which you can't prove. I have posted around here in other threads and am quite civil. Being a punk is passive aggressively asserting yourself as an authority, being sarcastic, and dismissing/rejecting another person's ideas in a sarcastic manner (for which I'm giving you a dose of your own medicine)
You are a troll...I am done interacting with you and your childish ways. I have rarely put someone on ignore but you bring absolutely nothing to this forum. Enjoy!
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Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean anyone made it up. In this case it simply means you haven't been around the luxury performance car world long enough to know better. These exact discussions went on around here and on the M5board years ago...with the M5 guys being proven wrong of course.
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That link proved absolutely nothing to support your point.
So I'm still convinced it's PDOOMA (Pulled Directly Out Of My ***). In this case, yours.
Saying you pulled something out of your *** (which I see a lot around here), isn't being a punk. It's calling BS on a statement for which you can't prove. I have posted around here in other threads and am quite civil. Being a punk is passive aggressively asserting yourself as an authority, being sarcastic, and dismissing/rejecting another person's ideas in a sarcastic manner (for which I'm giving you a dose of your own medicine)
So I'm still convinced it's PDOOMA (Pulled Directly Out Of My ***). In this case, yours.
Saying you pulled something out of your *** (which I see a lot around here), isn't being a punk. It's calling BS on a statement for which you can't prove. I have posted around here in other threads and am quite civil. Being a punk is passive aggressively asserting yourself as an authority, being sarcastic, and dismissing/rejecting another person's ideas in a sarcastic manner (for which I'm giving you a dose of your own medicine)
He provided you a link that clearly spelled out BMW's M Division long time historic stance (a very well known historic stance btw) and this is still your response?
The proper adult response would be something more along the lines of "Wow! I never knew that. You learn something everyday. Thanks"
But being as I'm inclined believe you are not who you claim to be, it's not surprising ... lol
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Just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean anyone made it up. In this case it simply means you haven't been around the luxury performance car world long enough to know better. These exact discussions went on around here and on the M5board years ago...with the M5 guys being proven wrong of course.
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He provided you a link that clearly spelled out BMW's M Division long time historic stance (a very well known historic stance btw) and this is still your response?
The proper adult response would be something more along the lines of "Wow! I never knew that. You learn something everyday. Thanks"
But being as I'm inclined believe you are not who you claim to be, it's not surprising ... lol
The proper adult response would be something more along the lines of "Wow! I never knew that. You learn something everyday. Thanks"
But being as I'm inclined believe you are not who you claim to be, it's not surprising ... lol
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I didn't come up with the original statement. And it is factual. BMW Motorsport said years ago it was not going to use forced induction and ALWAYS had manual transmissions (E46 was the first to offer a non-manual). BMW M purists have said these things over the years. I have heard it, others have heard, yet you think you are a "car guy" and you call BS over that statement? Sounds more like you are a 15 year old...because you sure act it. We are adults here...I think you have spent too many years keyboard fighting on GTA forums with kids.
You are a troll...I am done interacting with you and your childish ways. I have rarely put someone on ignore but you bring absolutely nothing to this forum. Enjoy!
You are a troll...I am done interacting with you and your childish ways. I have rarely put someone on ignore but you bring absolutely nothing to this forum. Enjoy!
Yeah bud, I'm a 15 year old. And OK, you're an adult, yeah I can see that. You just have diarrhea of the mouth. Very common malady on car boards.
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I understand your position because the M guys back in the day were also as sure as you are the their cars would never (and they meant NEVER) go forced induction or away from a pure manual transmission.
