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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 11:11 PM
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Michelin PSS tire issue

Noticed this on my front driver inner tire. Car is on stock alignment. I am using OE size. Over all doesn't seem like there is a lot of inner wear but I guess it doesn't show on PSS.

Tires have 24000 miles. Wear seems equal with the rears except this issue.

My original pzeros fronts were still good when I bought the Michelin's but rear were shot.

I know Michelin had a tread life warranty so maybe they will pro rate me.
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Old Sep 12, 2016 | 06:57 AM
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I seriously doubt you will get any form of warranty anything from Michelin. That looks like the result of a bad alignment most likely excessive toe out.
Running on stock alignment is of no consequence. Even at stock settings, you should have your alignment checked periodically. Especially right after buying tires.
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Old Sep 12, 2016 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by vdubpower
Noticed this on my front driver inner tire. Car is on stock alignment. I am using OE size. Over all doesn't seem like there is a lot of inner wear but I guess it doesn't show on PSS.

Tires have 24000 miles. Wear seems equal with the rears except this issue.

My original pzeros fronts were still good when I bought the Michelin's but rear were shot.

I know Michelin had a tread life warranty so maybe they will pro rate me.
the PSS treadwear warranty is for 30K miles, but that is only for cars with all same size tires (front/rear) allowing for rotation... on staggered setups like ours, the treadwear warranty is 1/2, so 15K miles and you got 24K miles out of them so actually got more life than expected out of them

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Old Sep 12, 2016 | 07:34 PM
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Check the same for the other tire on the same axle. I think the stock set-up of in-toeing leads to inner tire wear for all four.
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Old Sep 13, 2016 | 12:04 AM
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i drive them all, fast and hard
other side doesnt have any cord showing, there is some wear but nothing that appears to be drastic toe in or camber to be excessive....as u know , just whe looking at the cars, the rears look to be camber in more than fronts

i still have my 18000 mile front p0s in the shed, i might just switch those on for a few 1000 miles uip front before i need to change all four out again
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Old Mar 19, 2020 | 10:02 PM
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i drive them all, fast and hard
and so here we are again

swapped the pss out for ps4s and after about 20000 miles same issue ... rears still good

just so annoying

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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 09:46 PM
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Its the way the font camber is set up on the E63. It helps to run about 45psi air in front tires.
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Alignment issue not a tire issue
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Call me crazy, but 20k miles isn't all that bad is it?
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i drive them all, fast and hard
if it was even wear and after 20k miles then ok fine

but the entire tire sans the shoulder is fine...shoulder worn down...yes I will have alignment checked

unfortunately I have no choice but to get new up front due to cords

though I suppose I could have alignment fixed and take pressure off the inner shoulder and then still use the tires...
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Are you getting it aligned at the same place? This is definitely a toe issue with possible camber. Some alignment shops aren’t up to par with others
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i drive them all, fast and hard
tires come from americas tires, they do not do alignment...need to find a legit place in orange California to do the work,

ive heard dealers want to do some fancy smancy alignment for like 300 because I have distronic....
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Originally Posted by vdubpower
ive heard dealers want to do some fancy smancy alignment for like 300 because I have distronic....
Because that is the proper way to do it
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Originally Posted by vdubpower
tires come from americas tires, they do not do alignment...need to find a legit place in orange California to do the work,

ive heard dealers want to do some fancy smancy alignment for like 300 because I have distronic....
Well the good news is that it seems to be isolated to the front, and the fact that it wasn’t aligned previously points to the fact that it needs this. I have gotten some alignments that do more harm than good from chain stores, but also have done some that are beneficial.

At this point any alignment may be beneficial for tire wear. 24,000 miles isn’t awful ( the Porsche 911 turbos I have eat rear tires in 8 to 9000 miles at best) but you could get many more miles from those tires. Maybe find a tire shop that installs and aligns all in one?
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I only have my dealer align my Mercedes cars. I found I just waste money getting an alignment anywhere else.
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Do point out on all W205 models that the often quoted, reassuring "FULL FRONT AND REAR ALIGNMENT" even the most accurate - is only basic Toe "directional' adjustment

There is no front Camber and Caster or rear Camber facility essential to adjust tire contact angles - spread load more evenly. We saw the need therefor to reinstate once again from the early 90's full, precise adjustment.

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