W4 turbos
#101
i think the part of the launch that you are missing the point on is the 1/2 second pause the M157 MCT trans has off the line.... e63tt mash pedal.. trans waits .5 sec... then goes
at that point e63tt is playing catchup to other car
all the 0-60 mph times you see, dont take into account for that trans pause since they use a 1 foot rollout and dont start timing until the car has actually moved more than a foot..... so whatever the actual "lag/pause" time of the MCT trans is, needs to be added to the 0-60mph time to get its realworld 0-60 mph time
no way our cars are doing anywhere close to 2.8 sec 0-60....audi r8 plus does 0-60 in 2.7 sec and i raced one a few weekends back from a stop and it wasnt even funny... he put 2 car lengths on me almost immediately from the start and i tried both brake torquing and just mashing pedal with both results the same (him launching hard while my car paused and then went)......so no way we are even close to 2.8 sec in tuned/dp form
at that point e63tt is playing catchup to other car
all the 0-60 mph times you see, dont take into account for that trans pause since they use a 1 foot rollout and dont start timing until the car has actually moved more than a foot..... so whatever the actual "lag/pause" time of the MCT trans is, needs to be added to the 0-60mph time to get its realworld 0-60 mph time
no way our cars are doing anywhere close to 2.8 sec 0-60....audi r8 plus does 0-60 in 2.7 sec and i raced one a few weekends back from a stop and it wasnt even funny... he put 2 car lengths on me almost immediately from the start and i tried both brake torquing and just mashing pedal with both results the same (him launching hard while my car paused and then went)......so no way we are even close to 2.8 sec in tuned/dp form
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Exactly! the M157 engine has amazing low down pull/trq... its just the lazy trans initial response that really lets our car down
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I don't believe the 2.8 0-60 one bit... here's some 60' to 0-60 calculator (approximate) I found on another forum:
2.3 second 60' time = 35.5 mph @60' = 7.0 second 0-60 time
2.2 second 60' time = 37.1 mph @60' = 6.5 second 0-60 time
2.1 second 60' time = 38.9 mph @60' = 5.9 second 0-60 time
2.0 second 60' time = 40.9 mph @60' = 5.2 second 0-60 time
1.9 second 60' time = 43.0 mph @60' = 4.6 second 0-60 time
1.8 second 60' time = 45.5 mph @60' = 4.0 second 0-60 time
1.7 second 60' time = 48.1 mph @60' = 3.4 second 0-60 time
1.6 second 60' time = 51.1 mph @60' = 2.9 second 0-60 time
1.5 second 60' time = 54.5 mph @60' = 2.2 second 0-60 time
1.4 second 60' time = 58.4 mph @60' = 1.5 second 0-60 time
1.36 second 60' time = 60.0 mph @60' = 1.36 second 0-60 time
1.3 second 60' time = 62.9 mph @60' = 1.2 second 0-60 time
1.2 second 60' time = 68.1 mph @60' = 1.1 second 0-60 time
1.1 second 60' time = 74.3 mph @60' = 0.9 second 0-60 time
1.0 second 60' time = 81.8 mph @60' = 0.7 second 0-60 time
I haven't really seen anyone cutting better than a 1.7 60' time which is mid 3 second 0-60 for the E63S. In comparison, stock RS7 are pulling 1.6 60' times which is high 2/low 3 second for 0-60.
2.3 second 60' time = 35.5 mph @60' = 7.0 second 0-60 time
2.2 second 60' time = 37.1 mph @60' = 6.5 second 0-60 time
2.1 second 60' time = 38.9 mph @60' = 5.9 second 0-60 time
2.0 second 60' time = 40.9 mph @60' = 5.2 second 0-60 time
1.9 second 60' time = 43.0 mph @60' = 4.6 second 0-60 time
1.8 second 60' time = 45.5 mph @60' = 4.0 second 0-60 time
1.7 second 60' time = 48.1 mph @60' = 3.4 second 0-60 time
1.6 second 60' time = 51.1 mph @60' = 2.9 second 0-60 time
1.5 second 60' time = 54.5 mph @60' = 2.2 second 0-60 time
1.4 second 60' time = 58.4 mph @60' = 1.5 second 0-60 time
1.36 second 60' time = 60.0 mph @60' = 1.36 second 0-60 time
1.3 second 60' time = 62.9 mph @60' = 1.2 second 0-60 time
1.2 second 60' time = 68.1 mph @60' = 1.1 second 0-60 time
1.1 second 60' time = 74.3 mph @60' = 0.9 second 0-60 time
1.0 second 60' time = 81.8 mph @60' = 0.7 second 0-60 time
I haven't really seen anyone cutting better than a 1.7 60' time which is mid 3 second 0-60 for the E63S. In comparison, stock RS7 are pulling 1.6 60' times which is high 2/low 3 second for 0-60.
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just saw on IG the W4 car that is down here just dyno'd at 767 whp and 764 wtrq on 93 oct..... kinda lower than what i would expect since weistec supposedly got 856 whp on 91 oct .... who knows, maybe they turned it down on this car to protect the trans, although really doesnt make sense as the trq down low (where its more likely to damage trans) is higher on tuned stock turbos vs these so dont really see the point if that is their logic to turn it down
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yeah especially since the pure turbo cars up in jersey are making 840+ and they got the ams kit to put out 750+whp
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That's stock turbo torque.
But, we've been over it time and time again. The power isn't the issue, the nannies are. Maybe if someone put time into the nannies before the dyno numbers we could actually get somewhere.
But, we've been over it time and time again. The power isn't the issue, the nannies are. Maybe if someone put time into the nannies before the dyno numbers we could actually get somewhere.
#109
When was the weistec stage 4 released? Like 3 months ago? Why havent we got any performance data yet? Dyno numbers is only a first step. They are located in the sunny CA. So the weather shouldnt be a problem for them unlike the guys in the East coast who seem to try and do more for this platform.
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When was the weistec stage 4 released? Like 3 months ago? Why havent we got any performance data yet? Dyno numbers is only a first step. They are located in the sunny CA. So the weather shouldnt be a problem for them unlike the guys in the East coast who seem to try and do more for this platform.
i also saw they ran 165 mph in 1/2 at shiftsector CA a few months ago as well after they posted their first 840 WHP instagram dyno teaser vid
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Stage 1 pure turbo m5s are running equal number if Im not mistaking.
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actually they are faster... 60-130 = 5.6 and 170 mph 1/2
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1253027
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1253027
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actually they are faster... 60-130 = 5.6 and 170 mph 1/2
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1253027
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1253027
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F it, lol!
im buying the new awd m5
hopefully it'll look better than the current g30 m550i
im buying the new awd m5
hopefully it'll look better than the current g30 m550i
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Love it. Even though he is the only one to get there, that doesnt take away the fact that he did it! As far as I know he holds the record for 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile and 60-130 mph acceleration. Couple guys have tried with m157 but failed unfortunately. Thats mercedes for you.
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Your race depends on how two cars are modded too though. How much does st1 m5 make, which tuner, which dyno on what day? How much does st1 e63 make, which tuner on which dyno and on what day? Even stock for stock m5 traps more in the 1/4 mile. Tune for tune both on stock turbos m5 will beat it as well.
Unless your talking about m5 CP which traps 122mph, even then the e63s still beats or matches it as it also traps 122-123 (road and track got 122 for m5 and 123 for e63s)
and on st1 both on stock turbos it depends on each are tuned, m5 will not always beat it.
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So the lag the car has when just mashing the gas is basically between .5-.7s giving it a real world time of 4.0 when not using any launch methods?
and this is tuned, so a stock one likely higher than 4.0s, maybe 4.2-3
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^ i tried all launch methods with all similar results... brake boosting felt the most responsive, when you get it right, but get it wrong and limp mode
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stock for stock the m5 does not trap higher.
Unless your talking about m5 CP which traps 122mph, even then the e63s still beats or matches it as it also traps 122-123 (road and track got 122 for m5 and 123 for e63s)
and on st1 both on stock turbos it depends on each are tuned, m5 will not always beat it.
Unless your talking about m5 CP which traps 122mph, even then the e63s still beats or matches it as it also traps 122-123 (road and track got 122 for m5 and 123 for e63s)
and on st1 both on stock turbos it depends on each are tuned, m5 will not always beat it.
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So based Off the 60ft chart above it seems like it's adding an extra .7s of delay to the moving 0-60 time.
4.0s is not a slow 0-60 but at the same time should be much better with 4matic and the power tuned m157 is making.
#125
Agree. Lets admit it. This gen e63 4matic was put together, not engineered. The next gen e63 4matic is actually engineered. The battle between the new m5 and e63 is going to be closer then ever! Atleast in stock form that is. When it comes to tuning, the m5 will probably be ahead again.