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Yes and no. That type of damage is still a problem, and the only solution is engine replacement as the block can't be refinished. I've seen them replace engines for damage like that, and then i've seen them request teardown on an engine with a rod poked through the side of the block. I don't know how they decide which ones get investigated more or less.
I had assumed the new 156 would be in the neighborhood of a new 157. If $80k is correct, then my assumption was way off. I know on my 2011 M156, a new engine was priced at $52k. They ended up rebuilding the bottom end of that one. Car since has been sold.
Hey Joe,
Do you know what all is included in the crate for the new 157? New turbos, alternator, power steering pump, ac compressor, etc?
Thanks for your input Buddy!
Yes, they come complete with a harness and everything. Not sure on the a/c compressor, but most everything else will be there. You are basically getting one of the engines that they would assemble for a new car on the production line when you get a crate engine, they are surprisingly complete.
Yes, they come complete with a harness and everything. Not sure on the a/c compressor, but most everything else will be there. You are basically getting one of the engines that they would assemble for a new car on the production line when you get a crate engine, they are surprisingly complete.
Yes, they come complete with a harness and everything. Not sure on the a/c compressor, but most everything else will be there. You are basically getting one of the engines that they would assemble for a new car on the production line when you get a crate engine, they are surprisingly complete.
The replacement parts are warrantied for 2 years/24k miles, but if it was installed under factory warranty, it is only warrantied to the end of the factory warranty. If it was paid for cash or by insurance replacement or something (anything other than MB warranty), then you get the separate warranty on the replacement parts.
The replacement parts are warrantied for 2 years/24k miles, but if it was installed under factory warranty, it is only warrantied to the end of the factory warranty. If it was paid for cash or by insurance replacement or something (anything other than MB warranty), then you get the separate warranty on the replacement parts.
So it sounds like I'm covered through my MB extended warranty to the same point in time as the original engine? In my case that Jan of 22 I think. Maybe 21 I don't recall.
Do not own an amg out of warranty, ....some people that claim that if you have a good Indy you can manage an amg without much financial risk
I personally dont think so.. Yes there is some variables that can not be taken into account sometimes, but these are RARE on this platform i feel. I have owned many M's out of warranty and know many friends with AMG's out of warranty. If you have some tech and mechanical background, these cars can be maintained and owed i do feel. The M157 drivetrain has been proven to be very reliable aswell, but no engine is perfect of course. But the most important part of this is starting off with a good baseline car. but like i said there is sometime a failure that just happens, but on this platform seems rare. Was there a failure ever found on this engine to begin with? The M157 ticks alot and the start of the OP's ticking noise didnt seem anything out of the norm from the injectors and fuel pumps on this engine. Happy it all worked out for the OP!
Well the new motor arrived and we have answers as to what it comes with (see pics below). Looks like new turbos, plugs, and coil packs, but no alternator, PS pump, or AC compressor. This is basically what I expected.
Also, my SA last night said the cost is $56k + core (he wasn't sure what the core value is though).
The best news is that I get the car back by next Monday or Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
Meet the new motor:
New engine front New engine rear New engine top Old engine for reference
I personally dont think so.. Yes there is some variables that can not be taken into account sometimes, but these are RARE on this platform i feel. I have owned many M's out of warranty and know many friends with AMG's out of warranty. If you have some tech and mechanical background, these cars can be maintained and owed i do feel. The M157 drivetrain has been proven to be very reliable aswell, but no engine is perfect of course. But the most important part of this is starting off with a good baseline car. but like i said there is sometime a failure that just happens, but on this platform seems rare. Was there a failure ever found on this engine to begin with? The M157 ticks alot and the start of the OP's ticking noise didnt seem anything out of the norm from the injectors and fuel pumps on this engine. Happy it all worked out for the OP!
yet the op has now had two catastrophic problems on two Amgs, the m156 and this 157; he must just be really unluckily; I'll gladly get a warranty because it's a tiny expense for lots of peace of mind. He is likely sure glad he had warranties on both these cars and likely will never own an amg without a warranty
Last edited by PeterUbers; 11-14-2018 at 05:10 PM.
yet the op has now had two catastrophic problems on two Amgs, the m156 and this 157; he must just be really unluckily; I'll gladly get a warranty because it's a tiny expense for lots of peace of mind. He is likely sure glad he had warranties on both these cars and likely will never own an amg without a warranty
OP here. Just to be clear, these 2 failures mentioned were entirely different failure modes and neither as a result of skipped maintenance or abuse of anykind. As mentioned, just really bad luck for me personally. I can say I bought a new 2000 E55 back in late 99 and put 194k miles on it. Worst thing that ever happened to that entire drivetrain was a seized water pump. Of course one obvious difference is I drove that car from day 1. These last 2 cars mentioned were both picked up off of lease with about 30k miles on each. So I suppose its possible that the previous drivers abused them to a degree knowing they were leased. So I would agree with Peter entirely on not owning an AMG out of warranty that was bought used for sure!
Personally, owning these while still under warranty comes as bonus because I like a newer one every 5 years or so anyway. Although with this brand new engine and W213 4 litre motor, I might chance it for a while before buying the next beast.
The $4k I spent on the third party warranty for M156 mentioned was best money I ever spent. They paid out a total of nearly $30k !! This newer car is still under factory warranty, however, my SA said that they would have put in the motor with my MB extended warranty as well. That was $8k for reference. The $8k was like house money for me after what happened with the previous car. And YES, I do indeed have much more peace of mind knowing I have it!
Yes it would be! Somehow I dont think I will talk the dealer into swapping the turbos on a new engine replaced under MB warranty! But I like your thinking. Got any ingenius ideas how to pull that off?
Vrod - what a beautiful virgin m157!!!!! Congrats you’ll be back on the road in a week or so which is awesome.
Whats the break in period on the motor???
Hey J,
SA is telling me the standard 500 miles. And I will follow that to be on the safe side. But from what I hear the strict breakin period from long ago is not really as necessary with the newer more advanced and better engineered motors. But why risk it. My tuned ECU will not go in until mile 501 at minimum.
Thanks for noticing how beautiful the engine is. LMAO. We gear heads have a bit strange sense of beauty. Lol
Yes it would be! Somehow I dont think I will talk the dealer into swapping the turbos on a new engine replaced under MB warranty! But I like your thinking. Got any ingenius ideas how to pull that off?
Cheers.
Would be the end of your warranty but how much time do you have?
SA is telling me the standard 500 miles. And I will follow that to be on the safe side. But from what I hear the strict breakin period from long ago is not really as necessary with the newer more advanced and better engineered motors. But why risk it. My tuned ECU will not go in until mile 501 at minimum.
Thanks for noticing how beautiful the engine is. LMAO. We gear heads have a bit strange sense of beauty. Lol
Vrod - probably wise to follow that break in protocol and I'm sure you're anxious to get her out on the road so the 500 miles will go fast. Love the pics of your new pristine M157...amazing engineering in this motor and yeah the gear heads in us get excited about motor pics like this
Take a number of close up pictures of sensors and wiring etc with the motor out. In a few years we will all thank you when they break and we have a visual reference for locations!
Also - there is one common theme with your broken engines - they were both tuned....
Take a number of close up pictures of sensors and wiring etc with the motor out. In a few years we will all thank you when they break and we have a visual reference for locations!
Also - there is one common theme with your broken engines - they were both tuned....
Hey Carl,
Not only one commanality between the two. The bigger one is they were both used cars that were leased. The two failure modes were entirely different too. Spun rod bearing on the first. Scored cylinder on current car. Dealer tech commented that the cylinder seemed to be slightly out of round in his justification for the new motor. So factory defect is what he claims. Also, I would need someone to convince me, or anyone, how a tune would cause the scoring.
Additionally, the first tune was REALLY mild. 22 hp and 40 lb-ft. Thats not going to spin a rod bearing. Guys were putting on Renntech SC’s on M156’s without bottom end issues. Bottom line is sh**e happens. I was just unlucky twice. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I put 194k miles on my 2000 E55 without any issues. Bought that car new.
Unfortunately, I cant get the detailed pics you suggested. Best I was able to get was the pics above out of the crate. Great idea though. And I suspect that motor is now in the car.
Sorry - my note came across wrong - didn't mean to imply the tune did the scorn.
Life has been good - but a bit busy. Ski season is right around the corner - a good chance to use the ski pass through mod!
11-11-2018, 04:04 PM
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