My hard choice..05-6 CL65 or 12' E63..thoughts
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My hard choice..05-6 CL65 or 12' E63..thoughts
Been 2 years since I parted w/ my 06' E55 and the bug is back. I am looking for power, this would be a toy driven under 3k/year. I own an Indy repair shop (Subaru Specialist but that doesn't matter) so I can spin the wrenches even w/ the pita ABC suspension. Short of some "tunes" I'm not seeing a lot of support for the v12 cars unless your willing to drop crazy coin which I am not. I know the V12 can be a monster on the higher top-end however where I live, just not realistic. Has anyone owned a CL or SL65 w/ a solid tune (EC...etc) then moved to a 12'-14' E63? Would LOVE to hear your feedback.
I like the exterior of the old boat W215 chassis (not the dated interior so much). Thanks
I like the exterior of the old boat W215 chassis (not the dated interior so much). Thanks
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Going w/ the 65...Guess I am a bit older and that 05-06 CL style in my eyes is just iconic....along w/ the insane V12. I know there needy however I spin wrenches for a living and this car will live in a heated garage and get used maybe 2000 miles/year. (currently drive an older N54 bimmer as a DD...so let's just say I am VERY fluent w/ tearing deep into German cars...U want to talk about a problem car...)
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2014 E63S; AMS 100 octane ECU dyno tune; EDOK TCU tune; BB intakes; sprintbooster
Bottom end of the v12 not as robust as you know compared to the ttv8; the v12 is way smoother than the v8 but stock for stock the v8 seemed to outperform the v12 by a bit
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The 65 has ABC which is a pain. That alone, I would go with the 63. The only engine issues I've ever had on the V12 was a leaking turbo seal and a set of coil packs. Other than that, the engines are rock sold and produce copious low end torque. Probably due to the small turbos that produce max boost very low in the rpm range. The tranny sucks in the 65 vs 63. Engine mods, 63 has it due to ease of modification and readily available parts. There are some very mean V12's out there but they are expensive to mod since everything will be custom.
I recently sold my Speedriven modified V12 and I will miss the power, smoothness of the engine, and the symphony it produces while on full throttle. In my opinion, the M157 doesn't hold a candle to the sound of the bi-turbo V12's but that doesn't mean I would recommend it over the 63.
I recently sold my Speedriven modified V12 and I will miss the power, smoothness of the engine, and the symphony it produces while on full throttle. In my opinion, the M157 doesn't hold a candle to the sound of the bi-turbo V12's but that doesn't mean I would recommend it over the 63.
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Even if the E is much faster. I still love my 06 CL.
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V12s are $ to mod M157 modern easier to get more HP than a V12
Now the 12 will have a better sound and well the old skool factor. I have a 03 V12 NA parked. suspension CL 600.
I guess get what ever make you smile, for me its a Buick GN :-)
I guess get what ever make you smile, for me its a Buick GN :-)
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2014 E63s 1993 mazda rx7 on Boost
Dam the car is actually a 01 600
not an 03.
I buy auction cars and flip a side gig..
I do like the sound of the 12 and since will not longer will be in production who knows..
I buy auction cars and flip a side gig..
I do like the sound of the 12 and since will not longer will be in production who knows..
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The 65 has ABC which is a pain. That alone, I would go with the 63. The only engine issues I've ever had on the V12 was a leaking turbo seal and a set of coil packs. Other than that, the engines are rock sold and produce copious low end torque. Probably due to the small turbos that produce max boost very low in the rpm range. The tranny sucks in the 65 vs 63. Engine mods, 63 has it due to ease of modification and readily available parts. There are some very mean V12's out there but they are expensive to mod since everything will be custom.
I recently sold my Speedriven modified V12 and I will miss the power, smoothness of the engine, and the symphony it produces while on full throttle. In my opinion, the M157 doesn't hold a candle to the sound of the bi-turbo V12's but that doesn't mean I would recommend it over the 63.
I recently sold my Speedriven modified V12 and I will miss the power, smoothness of the engine, and the symphony it produces while on full throttle. In my opinion, the M157 doesn't hold a candle to the sound of the bi-turbo V12's but that doesn't mean I would recommend it over the 63.
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Did not dyno but based on what everyone else got with similar mods should have been north of 600 RWHP. I've heard some using the newer 65 turbos getting north of 700 RWHP on pump gas. Mine had Black Series injectors, downpipes, intercoolers, trunk tank, 300 cell cats, full custom exhaust/no mufflers, Speedriven no torque limit on tranny, and OE Tuning tune. Made my 157 feel like a slug with no torque.
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Did not dyno but based on what everyone else got with similar mods should have been north of 600 RWHP. I've heard some using the newer 65 turbos getting north of 700 RWHP on pump gas. Mine had Black Series injectors, downpipes, intercoolers, trunk tank, 300 cell cats, full custom exhaust/no mufflers, Speedriven no torque limit on tranny, and OE Tuning tune. Made my 157 feel like a slug with no torque.
I know the 5.5 TT is a fantastic engine but there's just something about the front end and styling of the old W215 I can't get over...and the V12 fender badges...well.... Just beautiful, like my old 87' GN, just love perfection even if it comes with headache (GN's are Headache!)
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Previous owner had it tuned. They may have more experience with custom tuning on the V12, not sure. The car also had two intercooler pumps. One in the trunk and one up front.
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65 will cost more in upkeep than the 63. I prefer 63 sound over 65 sound except for the starter noise. Power wise both will be similar on the street with proper tuning.
I built J Wades CL600 way back in maybe 2005-2006?? that went high 10's at the track with some custom and some Speeddriven parts.
I built J Wades CL600 way back in maybe 2005-2006?? that went high 10's at the track with some custom and some Speeddriven parts.
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That's exactly what happened to me. I sold my '06 E55 in August 2017 and spent 45k miles in a Lexus GS-350, but the AMG bug came back and got me. I found a nice 2012 E63 w/ 55k miles that was a Certified Pre-Owned just 8k miles ago. It's my daily driver so I hope it holds up for a few years.
