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Here is Efrains car @Cifdig with 2 datalogs i did before and after, both 4th gear logs, with the only change being the intakes.
As you can see in the first log, the turbo wastegate duty cycle was maxing out well before redline, ( table top). Wastegate DC maxing out at higher RPM band can be a cause for several reasons, but usually a restriction and or even sometimes a turbo limit.
In this case and this power level, with the intakes installed, it provided enough extra air and flow, that the wastegate duty cycle was lowered and no longer maxing out, providing the turbos were no longer restricted by the factory boxes and airflow at the higher RPM band. This translated and shown in the 2-3 MPH trap speed Efrain gained in his dragy runs, and he does ALOT of dragy testing, I am talking well over 150+ dragy runs and 1/4 mile runs with his car, he tests his car alot!
There are two tuners operating under the EC banner.
The majority of people are familiar with Jerry and his work, out of Houston, but there is one other tuner, Slav, who operates out of EC Canada in Toronto.
They both offer E tunes and TCU tunes (recently).
When I got my TCU tune, it was via Slav at EC Canada. At that time, Slav and EC ATX were the only EC shop offering TCU tunes outside the NY area (5Soko had NY area covered). This was prior to Jerry announcing availability of his TCU tune offering.
I opted for switching to Slav's E tune at that time to complement the TCU tune I received from him to make the upgrade path more seamless.
I still have my EC Jerry E50 tune on my spare ECU as back up.
Jerry has subsequently come out with a TCU tune of his own.
are these remote tunes? That would be ideal for me as no one close to me can tune an MB.
are these remote tunes? That would be ideal for me as no one close to me can tune an MB.
Yes and No....
If talking EC Canada's ECU/TCU offerings then they have to be done in person at EC Canada or one of their affiliates. You can mail in the ECU, but the TCU is still a face to face endeavour.
If talking Jerry's ECU/TCU offerings, then Yes, as he now has remote tuning capability of both the ECU and TCU.
Just note that the ECU/TCU offerings available are not the same.
What the differences are I couldn't tell you, but each is an independent work product of the respective tuner.
Jerry's TCU tune is a new product whereas EC Canada's (EC Slav) TCU is a resale of an established German tuner product.
If talking EC Canada's ECU/TCU offerings then they have to be done in person at EC Canada or one of their affiliates. You can mail in the ECU, but the TCU is still a face to face endeavour.
If talking Jerry's ECU/TCU offerings, then Yes, as he now has remote tuning capability of both the ECU and TCU.
Just note that the ECU/TCU offerings available are not the same.
What the differences are I couldn't tell you, but each is an independent work product of the respective tuner.
Jerry's TCU tune is a new product whereas EC Canada's (EC Slav) TCU is a resale of an established German tuner product.
Clear as mud?
Awesome info Brutus, and many thanks for putting in the time to datalog and share results. I just went through a process of selecting a boat prop and datalogging countless hours and $$ spent - when you share this info, you’re sparing everyone else the trial and error and I’m not sure everyone truly appreciates what is being shared. Yes, a dynosheet is the end result, but the hours of time that went into the entire process (including the thread write up) often goes unrecognized. Just wanted to express some extra appreciation for what you’ve provided.
Regarding the TCU - are there any material differences between the “Jerry” version vs the German? Performing this remotely is obviously attractive to many of us, but if the in-person version is “better” because of fine tuning then some of us may make a drive to the closest shop.
Awesome info Brutus, and many thanks for putting in the time to datalog and share results. I just went through a process of selecting a boat prop and datalogging countless hours and $$ spent - when you share this info, you’re sparing everyone else the trial and error and I’m not sure everyone truly appreciates what is being shared. Yes, a dynosheet is the end result, but the hours of time that went into the entire process (including the thread write up) often goes unrecognized. Just wanted to express some extra appreciation for what you’ve provided.
Regarding the TCU - are there any material differences between the “Jerry” version vs the German? Performing this remotely is obviously attractive to many of us, but if the in-person version is “better” because of fine tuning then some of us may make a drive to the closest shop.
Thanks again all for your contributions!
Originally Posted by RVAE34
I would like to know this as well.
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate the recognition.
In truth, I'm $240.00 in on dyno charges over two seperate days, plus fuel and time to drive an hour each way to get this data, on top of the full price intake. It's worth it to me though for my own knowledge.
I have zero issues sharing the information obtained. It's the engineer background and my libertarian leanings from being a Canuck that drive this I believe.
Regarding the TCU.... I cannot in all honesty comment on Jerry's offering because I have zero experience with it. I suggest reaching out to early adopters of his tune to get their opinions.
Regarding the TCU tune offering by EC Canada, EC ATX and their affiliates, this is a tune that has been in use since 2015 in Germany and has the benefit of having time on its side.
It has improved the driveability of my car in ever imaginable metric, whether gear shift smoothness, shift speed, improved lower gear performance, etc.
I have been very happy with the TCU tune provided by EC ATX/EC Canada and as a user can recommend it.
I suggest starting another thread to see if Jerry TCU users can comment...
@SAMzE63s I stole this pic from another thread (VRP's By pass Valve marketing thread)... Those intake tubes (CF or fake CF w/ AMG Decals) with those T-Bolt clamps would compliment your engine bay nicely IMO. I dunno how much power this intake system alone would add to a stock E63S... but I thought about this kit just to fix the curled up heat insulation on the passenger's side and add some bling to the engine bay! Is a tune required after installing this? (Sorry if this was answered already)
@SAMzE63s I stole this pic from another thread (VRP's By pass Valve marketing thread)... Those intake tubes (CF or fake CF w/ AMG Decals) with those T-Bolt clamps would compliment your engine bay nicely IMO. I dunno how much power this intake system alone would add to a stock E63S... but I thought about this kit just to fix the curled up heat insulation on the passenger's side and add some bling to the engine bay! Is a tune required after installing this? (Sorry if this was answered already)
are you sure that’s VRP? The one on their website are stainless steel only
do your research on VRP pipes fitment and durability since the inlets are 3d printed people have mentioned that they don't tolerate heatsoak.
Completely innacurate. The 3d inlets are printed from carbon fiber nylon, an extremely durable material. Over engineered for this application. also just judging by the way you stated this tells me you dont even know what heatsoak is..
We have had ZERO fitment issues on 550 cars, and ZERO issues of durability for any part of the kit. 3d printed or not.
Last edited by VictoryRoadPerformance; 10-16-2020 at 02:40 PM.
it says for ABC equipped cars. Wonder if they make them for W212. @VictoryRoadPerformance do you sell the carbon version for W212?
Unfortunately the tubes are currently only compatible with w212/w218 M278 550 cars. I need to make a couple changes to the adapters in order to fit the 63 cars.
Unfortunately the tubes are currently only compatible with w212/w218 M278 550 cars. I need to make a couple changes to the adapters in order to fit the 63 cars.
I'm going to keep it professional as a vendor theres plenty of forums talking about it. I myself wanted a set. As a vendor I'm here to be honest and truthfull as to my products also if you want me to pm you the some of the threads and comments I will, not calling you openly. And what is heat soak?
I'm going to keep it professional as a vendor theres plenty of forums talking about it. I myself wanted a set. As a vendor I'm here to be honest and truthfull as to my products also if you want me to pm you the some of the threads and comments I will, not calling you openly. And what is heat soak?
We are aware of the single thread that the customer attempted to install on a 63. They dont fit 63, they fit 550
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming... 😎
Below is a screen grab of my draggy 60-130 history. All runs prior to my last run were made on stock intake... the last one with the Black Boost Intake.
And now back to our regularly scheduled programming... 😎
Below is a screen grab of my draggy 60-130 history. All runs prior to my last run were made on stock intake... the last one with the Black Boost Intake.
It's hard to fudge numbers like this.
This was my best run previous running ECC E40 with gutted cars and stock intake. You'll notice the improvement over previous runs.
The last run was with the black boost intake, a new personal best.
Please re attach the image, its not working.
I also got much better draggy results with just the blackboost intakes. Very curious to see your results
Hey Brutus, I thought you were running sub 8 sec 60-130s with your old tune from Jerry. Or was that just in the colder weather? I'm able to run 8.1s right now with just a dyno tune from EC and no other mods. My PB is 7.95 in colder weather
Hey Brutus, I thought you were running sub 8 sec 60-130s with your old tune from Jerry. Or was that just in the colder weather? I'm able to run 8.1s right now with just a dyno tune from EC and no other mods. My PB is 7.95 in colder weather
The fastest I've run with Jerry's E50 tune was 7.79 in 45 deg temps last year. That was on a otherwise stock car.
This summer in the heat, the best I saw was in the 8.5 range for Jerry's E50 tune, and 8.8 for Slavs E30 tune. This dropped to an 8.1 after we decatted my stock downpipes and ran ECC's E40 tune. Subsequently, after installing the intake I netted the 7.4 60-130.
Regardless of what E tune you're running, if you were stock intake before, you will see massive improvement up top after installing the BlackBoost intake.
De catting your exhaust will improve top speed as well.
10-12-2020, 08:23 PM
and add some bling to the engine bay! Is a tune required after installing this? (Sorry if this was answered already)
