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I have a very lightly used set (less than 50 miles) for sale if anyone is interested in saving a couple hundred $ over a new unit. Putting the car back to stock. Set of Renntech mufflers are also for sale. PM me if interested.
An update from a colleague on the west coast who installed the Black Boost intake yesterday in his W212 E63S and went "out for a rip" to see what improvements were to be made.
What makes his times so interesting is the fact he previously had the UPD spacer and filter combo in his car, so we were keen to see if there was any improvement in 60-130 times.... where the improved flow from the BB intake allows the car's top end to shine.
His car is other wise stock with just the Jerry E47 ethanol tune and the ECC TCU tune. His previous best 60-130 running the UPD spacer and filter combo was 7.61 sec.... respectable in its own right.
After installing the Black Boost intake and allowing the tune to adjust itself to the new flow regime, he went out and shattered all his previous best records.... 1/4 mile ET, 1/4 mile trap, 60 ft, 0-60 and most importantly for the topic of this post... the 60-130 performance.
While I expected there to be an improvement, I wasn't expecting to see such a marked difference...
When I tested my BB Intake times against the stock set up I gained 0.6 seconds.... when comparing the previous time set with the UPD setup of ~7.6 seconds, he is now at ~7.1 seconds, my colleague saw a 0.5 sec improvement.
Some of that improvement may be attributed to better DA.... but I have a hard time accepting that its all down to better DA...
I leave it to him to post up any more observations if he'd like.
Its still a little hard to believe all the good results coming from the BlackBoost treatment, but Data don't lie and thank you to all the guys taking the time to post and report back all the feedback.
An update from a colleague on the west coast who installed the Black Boost intake yesterday in his W212 E63S and went "out for a rip" to see what improvements were to be made.
What makes his times so interesting is the fact he previously had the UPD spacer and filter combo in his car, so we were keen to see if there was any improvement in 60-130 times.... where the improved flow from the BB intake allows the car's top end to shine.
His car is other wise stock with just the Jerry E47 ethanol tune and the ECC TCU tune. His previous best 60-130 running the UPD spacer and filter combo was 7.61 sec.... respectable in its own right.
After installing the Black Boost intake and allowing the tune to adjust itself to the new flow regime, he went out and shattered all his previous best records.... 1/4 mile ET, 1/4 mile trap, 60 ft, 0-60 and most importantly for the topic of this post... the 60-130 performance.
While I expected there to be an improvement, I wasn't expecting to see such a marked difference...
When I tested my BB Intake times against the stock set up I gained 0.6 seconds.... when comparing the previous time set with the UPD setup of ~7.6 seconds, he is now at ~7.1 seconds, my colleague saw a 0.5 sec improvement.
Some of that improvement may be attributed to better DA.... but I have a hard time accepting that its all down to better DA...
I leave it to him to post up any more observations if he'd like.
Thanks a lot Brutus! Yep I am the “colleague from the west coast” everything Brutus said is a spot on accounting of my first couple days with this intake. I held out for a few months waiting for more data as I am quite scrutinizing over what I invest in. It started to become quite clear how effective this upgrade is after hearing from all the great guys in other threads on the topic. So I pulled the trigger AND COULD NOT BE HAPPIER!
To think this could even get better after Jerry tweaks a bit further for this newly found air supply at the top end is very exciting.
For those interested my name on Dragy is Alpha63 if you want to see my recent times.
My rating for “bang for the buck” on this mod is 8.5/10. it Will go higher when the airflow sensors get the coming extension cables. Performance to buck is 9.5/10!!! I never give 10’s btw.
Thanks again Brutus. Great write up!
Ken's results are amazing!! Look how far ethanol and BB intakes and TCU tune have changed this platform!
he is also cutting 2.5x 0-60mph times consistently and easily repeated with 1.5X 60ft times
Thanks Peter!!! Team effort for sure. A lot of guys have tried different things to find out what works best. I was just lucky enough to latch on to the truly great mods straight away as a result of their experimentation.
Ordered a set of these for my 12 E63 wagon to pair with the Redstar downpipes. Will do TCU and ECU tune next. Looking forward to reporting back on the results.
14 E63, 05 E55, 03 Evo 8, 08 F250, 06 R6R, 92 Talon TSI, and instability
Pulled the trigger on one of these as well on my k1 tuned awd w212. Made the swap from spacers. Amusingly, I forgot to tell my wife I had installed this even though she drives the car daily. She came back from work the next day and immediately noted the car felt noticeably quicker.
I will put my car on the dyno in stock form on Tues then will install the intakes there and run it again. Looking forward to the results taken on an otherwise stock car.
I will put my car on the dyno in stock form on Tues then will install the intakes there and run it again. Looking forward to the results taken on an otherwise stock car.
fyi,that intake comparison is not accurate to your gains as timing makes power ,each degree can yield 25 whp at times.That intake will get you 20 whp max or less so other things are playing this role on your gains as far as temps,boost,timing and afr.
fyi,that intake comparison is not accurate to your gains as timing makes power ,each degree can yield 25 whp at times.That intake will get you 20 whp max or less so other things are playing this role on your gains as far as temps,boost,timing and afr.
so how do explain the draggys before and after install on dyno runs before intakes and after same day, same temps and everything else? Stock intakes are restricted what data do you have to back up this comment?
fyi,that intake comparison is not accurate to your gains as timing makes power ,each degree can yield 25 whp at times.That intake will get you 20 whp max or less so other things are playing this role on your gains as far as temps,boost,timing and afr.
Please show your results to support the 20 whp claim. We've had many multiple examples of people gaining top end speed with no other mods besides the intake. 20 whp will not net you an increase of 4 to 5 extra mph trap in the quarter. These are documented results.
Please show your results to support the 20 whp claim. We've had many multiple examples of people gaining top end speed with no other mods besides the intake. 20 whp will not net you an increase of 4 to 5 extra mph trap in the quarter. These are documented results.
This why at times I hate reading these posts on dyno charts and installed parts.It's like no one knows how to really make a difference of a comparison to a back to back difference test.
I been around the amg platforum for 13 years and still it's like no one can post a correct back to back dyno test on a part installed..
Your dyno test is a difference of 16 degress and lower humidity weather make a big change on numbers and how the turbos hit,you also added timing and I can bet you the boost is higher due to the weather change and timing added.
Timing added make a big jump in gains even 1 degree or 2 degree ,If you think you gained that much from that intake that's sad and fooling yourself.
14 E63, 05 E55, 03 Evo 8, 08 F250, 06 R6R, 92 Talon TSI, and instability
Originally Posted by oneslow55
This why at times I hate reading these posts on dyno charts and installed parts.It's like no one knows how to really make a difference of a comparison to a back to back difference test.
I been around the amg platforum for 13 years and still it's like no one can post a correct back to back dyno test on a part installed..
Your dyno test is a difference of 16 degress and lower humidity weather make a big change on numbers and how the turbos hit,you also added timing and I can bet you the boost is higher due to the weather change and timing added.
Timing added make a big jump in gains even 1 degree or 2 degree ,If you think you gained that much from that intake that's sad and fooling yourself.
I disagree with you.
You're correct in that a true "apples to apples" comparison, the intake didn't just gain all that power in just the swap itself.
However, what you're not accounting for is that post intake the car is responding to the additional timing where it wasn't before on top of performing better. That's still a significant gain and shows just how restrictive the stock intake is. I'm willing to wager that should he change nothing in the tune and put back the previous intake setup, those gains would be lost.
You'll note I'm with you with regards to dyno claims and questioned the true magnitude of the effect the intake had on overall numbers in the original post. Dynos aside though, the lower waste gate duty cycle and improved IATs is the result of better flow. That's down to the efficiency of the intake. If you read the rest of the thread, you'll see supporting and corroborating evidence to back up my evaluation. Are those dyno numbers to be viewed as absolute??? As you state, they are suspect. Trap speeds don't lie, and everyone one of us running this intact has seen a marked improvement in trap speeds at the track. Again, DA will have a huge impact here as well, but the sheer volume of data we've logged amongst our group running the black boost intake points to that intake as the common denominator.
You're correct in that a true "apples to apples" comparison, the intake didn't just gain all that power in just the swap itself.
However, what you're not accounting for is that post intake the car is responding to the additional timing where it wasn't before on top of performing better. That's still a significant gain and shows just how restrictive the stock intake is. I'm willing to wager that should he change nothing in the tune and put back the previous intake setup, those gains would be lost.
10-19-2020, 09:46 AM
