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While it is a heavy car, I think there are some ways to lighten it up without losing creature comforts or functionality. For example, lighter wheels, brakes, etc. Someone in another thread mentioned carbon fiber drive shaft.
That is very impressive imo for a large sedan with rings of features/tech/sound deadening
for reference a quick Google searchC7 3600#
Camaro ZL1 4100#
hellcat Challenger 4430#
Hellcat charger 4600#
Porsche panamera GT 4600#
Bentley Continental 5400#
2015 M5 4400
V3 ctsv 4100
V2 ctsv 4200#
W211 e63 4000#
You'd also be hard-pressed to find any proper sports cars that weigh over 4000lbs. GTR is not a sports car.
Says the man with a 2350 lb rocket!
I agree that 4200 is not light, but for it is (4 door luxury sedan), it could be heavier.
The only vehicle that I own that is light is my 93 RX-7 which tips the scales at 2750 lbs with weight reduction. Definitely fun driving a lighter car, seems quicker in all aspects of driving.
My wagon is 4,675 lbs with 3/4 tank of fuel, no driver.
Is the wagon really 500lbs heavier?
I didn't think so. But maybe it is. Which is weird as my 1/4 mile times aren't slower then a sedan.
Google says these cars are 4,700 lbs - check your scale?
<shrug>
I'm talking about the average sports car that you see on the roads today. GT500, Camaro, Challengers weigh over 4,000+lbs.
You didn't list a single sports car though. Those are pony or GT cars. While the GT350/R and ZL1 do their best to mimic a sports car, they aren't "sports cars". Unless we're going by some weird insurance classification or some random "anything with a hint towards performance driving" notion, then anything can be a sports car... velosters, to yarises (yari?)
Sports cars are two seaters, with the only exceptions being the FRS/BRZ and 911. Miata, Corvette, Cayman, Boxster, Z4, Supra, 370z, etc. Those are sports cars.
Originally Posted by thesaintusa
I agree that 4200 is not light, but for it is (4 door luxury sedan), it could be heavier.
It's light for a sedan, especially a full size luxobarge. Only a few luxury sedans are lighter... mainly the Giulia QV and M3. Although I don't think the E class is in the same class as those two.
Bottom line, OP has a pretty light E63. Trying to make it better by comparing it to whatever car classification he wants to dump cars into seems like reaching.
You didn't list a single sports car though. Those are pony or GT cars. While the GT350/R and ZL1 do their best to mimic a sports car, they aren't "sports cars". Unless we're going by some weird insurance classification or some random "anything with a hint towards performance driving" notion, then anything can be a sports car... velosters, to yarises (yari?)
Sports cars are two seaters, with the only exceptions being the FRS/BRZ and 911. Miata, Corvette, Cayman, Boxster, Z4, Supra, 370z, etc. Those are sports cars.
It's light for a sedan, especially a full size luxobarge. Only a few luxury sedans are lighter... mainly the Giulia QV and M3. Although I don't think the E class is in the same class as those two.
Bottom line, OP has a pretty light E63. Trying to make it better by comparing it to whatever car classification he wants to dump cars into seems like reaching.
Where I'm from we refer Mustangs, Challengers, Camaros as "sports" cars. Never tried to make it "better", I simply stated it's fairly light compared to new cars nowadays.
If I want to compare vehicles I have a fully built drag vehicle for that lol
Can't believe we are discussing something asinine as this, but I completely disagree with the number of seats being the classifier.
That's like saying all offroad vehicles are trucks.
Can't believe we are discussing something asinine as this, but I completely disagree with the number of seats being the classifier.
That's like saying all offroad vehicles are trucks.
Complains about the topic and definition, doesn't offer their own version.
Complains about the topic and definition, doesn't offer their own version.
Poor McLaren F1 with its 3 seats must mean its a delivery truck lol
Sports car, derived from "motorsports", more specific, commonly understood to have come down from the the track racing variant (opposed to the many other motorsports types i.e. rockcrawling or baja racer). These cars are generally quick, but not necessarily in one aspect, more of a combination of power, agility/handling, braking as well as a cosmetic aspects when someone can look at them and say by looks only, that a particular car looks quick. Within the spectrum, the sports car spectrum, their are subcategories of muscle, agile autocrosses, and fast canyon carvers, and all around fast road course cars even up to supercars. 1,2,3 or 4 seats are irrelevant, bust obviously a sports-sedan is not a sports car, or a sports-SUV, hence the clarifier. I would say ~most~ sports cars are 2 doors, but not ~all~ 2 doors cars are sports cars, thus you cant say, "all 2 doors are sports cars". Same concept applies to # of seats.
Poor McLaren F1 with its 3 seats must mean its a delivery truck lol
How myopic of you to think if it's not a sports car, it must be a truck.
I would say ~most~ sports cars are 2 doors, but not ~all~ 2 doors cars are sports cars, thus you cant say, "all 2 doors are sports cars". Same concept applies to # of seats.
A four door sporty car is a sports sedan.
A two door sporty car with four seats, is a sports coupe -- regardless of what BMW is trying to convince the world of.
Add enough fatty bits to a sports coupe, it becomes a Gran Tourer (hence: GT).
People want to feel like they're special and claim everything a sports car, if it has a hint of a performance nod.
Veloster, it's a sports car!
GMC Syclone, it's a sports car!
Bentley Continental GT, sports car, despite the clearly labeled "GT" on it!
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