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Old Mar 13, 2022 | 11:45 PM
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lag between 4-5 k rpm and check engine light

Hey, I have a somewhat recurring problem, I have a 2012 cls63 stage one tune. At around 4-5 k rpm it feels like its hesitating to rev, sometimes after a doing it a couple times check engine light comes on and heavy shaking. Then if I turn it off check engine may go away. If it does or does not driving after feels normal. It also doesn't happen every time, just sometimes, especially after a couple of runs. Ive change spark plug. Any suggestions as to what this could be? Scanner also says 5,6,8 cylinders are misfiring.
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Old Mar 13, 2022 | 11:48 PM
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Hey, I have a somewhat recurring problem, I have a 2012 cls63 stage one tune. At around 4-5 k rpm it feels like its hesitating to rev, sometimes after a doing it a couple times check engine light comes on and heavy shaking. Then if I turn it off check engine may go away. If it does or does not driving after feels normal. It also doesn't happen every time, just sometimes, especially after a couple of runs. Ive change spark plug. Any suggestions as to what this could be? Scanner also says 5,6,8 cylinders are misfiring.
change your coils ... typical cylinders for misfires usually bad coils. (Close to hot turbos)

what gas are you using?

does it do this with the stock ecu?

who indexed the plugs?

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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 11:46 AM
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I also belive cylinder 7 misfires, not sure can't remember.
Can I switch coils from one back to the other and see if the problem still occurs? If it does it shouldn't be coils correct. (Because the good side coils still have a problem).
I use shell 91, sometimes 94. There are very few gas stations with anything higher than 91 here.
Previous owner did the tune so not sure if it had a problem pre tune.
By indexing plugs I'm guessing you mean gap? I gapped the plugs, looked over the forum and did it correctly, not stock. There also one step colder. I belive.022.
After further research could this be a 02 censor?
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I am no expert but don't think there are any tunes designed for 91 octane. I wouldn't run a tune at all if I couldn't at least get 93.

Indexing the plugs refers to the orientation of the electrode. There is a very specific orientation and installation procedure for the M157's.
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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 12:34 PM
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I am no expert but don't think there are any tunes designed for 91 octane. I wouldn't run a tune at all if I couldn't at least get 93.

Indexing the plugs refers to the orientation of the electrode. There is a very specific orientation and installation procedure for the M157's.
All of the core m157 tuners have 91oct tunes available. It won't make the same power as 93oct tunes, but there's still a significant increase in power.


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Old Mar 14, 2022 | 01:13 PM
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Yes plugs were put in properly at the right angle. Tune should be fine with 91
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But if it was tuned for 93 and you are running 91 there may be a problem

why Don't you add 1 gallon of E85 to your next 91 fill up and see if you have the issue?

also just replace all coils but sure you can swap the coils and see if that's the issue -- misfires are not good for this engine I wouldn't experiment too much.



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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
But if it was tuned for 93 and you are running 91 there may be a problem

why Don't you add 1 gallon of E85 to your next 91 fill up and see if you have the issue?

also just replace all coils but sure you can swap the coils and see if that's the issue -- misfires are not good for this engine I wouldn't experiment too much.
That's a good question, OP do you know where the car comes from? Where did you buy it?

Might be a good idea to have it flashed to stock and start there.
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
But if it was tuned for 93 and you are running 91 there may be a problem

why Don't you add 1 gallon of E85 to your next 91 fill up and see if you have the issue?

also just replace all coils but sure you can swap the coils and see if that's the issue -- misfires are not good for this engine I wouldn't experiment too much.

a friend with a 15 s63 bought his car that was tuned for 93 but there’s only 91 around here. His car was getting intermittent check engine codes. He would clear it and it would come back. Only viable solution was a retune to 91
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a friend with a 15 s63 bought his car that was tuned for 93 but there’s only 91 around here. His car was getting intermittent check engine codes. He would clear it and it would come back. Only viable solution was a retune to 91
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hmm ill go to the tuner and double check. Do most places retune for free? or small fee?
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hmm ill go to the tuner and double check. Do most places retune for free? or small fee?
Depends on tuner .... AMS and EC always charged me a small fee
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Went to my mechanic and he scanned this. Searching around seems like knocking issue is from WIT on low gas with tune. Which I was doing wot at just under 1/4 gas. But now it says only 4 and 5 are misfiring? 4 has never misfires before. Mechanic is also not to sure as to what the problem is. Any help N additional info would be great. Will change out ignition coils tdy tho.
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How many miles are on the car?

It may be a good idea to change the coils if the plugs are new and in good shape. But I think you should stop driving the car until you can at least get back onto the stock tune.
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Originally Posted by Aferrari912

Went to my mechanic and he scanned this. Searching around seems like knocking issue is from WIT on low gas with tune. Which I was doing wot at just under 1/4 gas. But now it says only 4 and 5 are misfiring? 4 has never misfires before. Mechanic is also not to sure as to what the problem is. Any help N additional info would be great. Will change out ignition coils tdy tho.
#5 is the right driver side cylinder closest to the front of the car and next to the turbo's so that coil along with #1 cylinder (passenger side front cylinder) get excessive heat from the turbo which accelerates the degradation of the coil when tuned and pushing higher boost at WOT. I would definitely replace your 1-2 coils and 5-6 coils (basically your front most 2 coils on each side) with new coils which are cheap and about $45 bucks at FCP euro and are Beru OEM. see if that fixes the issue
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