W212 AMG Discuss the W212 AMG's such as the E63
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Kw lowering springs question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 04-24-2022, 01:32 PM
  #1  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Kw lowering springs question

So I'm getting ready to order the kit. My question is on those who have lowering links in the rear, how do you adjust each individual settings on the suspension side? Like on oem setting no lights on suspension setting sits the highest and 2 lights on sits the lowest. Do links stop the raising /lowering in the back and just change damping while height stays the same?

Last edited by Mojo20032004; 04-24-2022 at 11:08 PM.
Old 04-24-2022, 02:37 PM
  #2  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Rehabguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,009
Received 284 Likes on 222 Posts
E63S
Links only affect ride height (as far as I am concerned). Damping occurs at the shocks whereas the links will set ride height via air springs. Is this what you are wondering?
Old 04-24-2022, 02:55 PM
  #3  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Originally Posted by Rehabguy
Links only affect ride height (as far as I am concerned). Damping occurs at the shocks whereas the links will set ride height via air springs. Is this what you are wondering?
So how does the oem system work? The links adjust them selfves based on what dampening level is set?

What I'm asking is, if I set the links to a certain ride height since you have to adjust these manually, what happens when I switch the dampening to s+? Does the car lower itself some more, or does it just change the stiffness only
Old 04-24-2022, 04:39 PM
  #4  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Rehabguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,009
Received 284 Likes on 222 Posts
E63S
Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
So how does the oem system work? The links adjust them selfves based on what dampening level is set?

What I'm asking is, if I set the links to a certain ride height since you have to adjust these manually, what happens when I switch the dampening to s+? Does the car lower itself some more, or does it just change the stiffness only
Dampening is not set by turning your dial to C, S, S+ or M. That pretty much sets ride height and how your tranny will shift. Dampening is set via the button that has the pic of a shock absorber and gives you choice of two lights, None for softest and two lights on for firmest. The lowering links will pretty much tell your car what the max height will be. Hypothetically, if you set it to 1" fender gap. That's where your car will sit when it is in C. Turning the knob to S -> M will make your car you a bit lower. Or at least that's my experience with it. When I shut off my car it returns to the height in C. Some forum members say theirs "air out" (as in theirs sit lower). When I drive in S+ is when I see the rear fender gap at the lowest. And, again, this is independent from dampening.
Hope this helps.
The following users liked this post:
cotmfk (04-26-2022)
Old 04-24-2022, 04:52 PM
  #5  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Originally Posted by Rehabguy
Dampening is not set by turning your dial to C, S, S+ or M. That pretty much sets ride height and how your tranny will shift. Dampening is set via the button that has the pic of a shock absorber and gives you choice of two lights, None for softest and two lights on for firmest. The lowering links will pretty much tell your car what the max height will be. Hypothetically, if you set it to 1" fender gap. That's where your car will sit when it is in C. Turning the knob to S -> M will make your car you a bit lower. Or at least that's my experience with it. When I shut off my car it returns to the height in C. Some forum members say theirs "air out" (as in theirs sit lower). When I drive in S+ is when I see the rear fender gap at the lowest. And, again, this is independent from dampening.
Hope this helps.
My apologies I meant the suspension button, not the transmission knob. But I think I see what you are saying tho. It will stay about the same(height wise) but the stiffness changes due to dampening being increased
Old 04-25-2022, 01:51 PM
  #6  
BCP
Senior Member
 
BCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Northern Va
Posts: 352
Received 127 Likes on 99 Posts
2014 E63s
The suspension modes will still raise the rear like it did stock, just a reduced amount due to the links. You dont adjust the links for each setting - i'd recommend setting them for whatever mode you use the most. For me, I set them in S+ and if i need to raise it some then a switch to comfort will do that. If you set them for your preferred ride height in Comfort then switching to S+ is going to make the rear sit lower.
Old 04-25-2022, 09:05 PM
  #7  
Out Of Control!!
 
PeterUbers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 11,803
Received 2,070 Likes on 1,443 Posts
2014 E63S; AMS 100 octane ecu tune; edok tcu tune; BB intakes; dyno tuned
My car always sits (while off) in S+ height. Even if I shut the car off while in comfort suspension mode. Interesting yours stays in C ...
Old 04-25-2022, 09:16 PM
  #8  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Originally Posted by PeterUbers
My car always sits (while off) in S+ height. Even if I shut the car off while in comfort suspension mode. Interesting yours stays in C ...
Mine stays in sports mode when off, and I drive it in sports mode due to the reae gap in comfort. Just looks horrendous
Old 04-25-2022, 10:09 PM
  #9  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Rehabguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,009
Received 284 Likes on 222 Posts
E63S
Originally Posted by PeterUbers
My car always sits (while off) in S+ height. Even if I shut the car off while in comfort suspension mode. Interesting yours stays in C ...
Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
Mine stays in sports mode when off, and I drive it in sports mode due to the reae gap in comfort. Just looks horrendous
Yeah. I turn to S+ as soon as the car is running. I pull it outta the garage I hear the bags deflate lowering the car. She goes back up when parked and shut off. Maybe you guys go more routinely to the stealership and they have updated your software while I am still sitting in 2014? LOL!
Old 04-26-2022, 09:08 AM
  #10  
Super Member
 
cotmfk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: SomewherebetweenDCandFL
Posts: 591
Received 181 Likes on 139 Posts
On the shoulder
Originally Posted by Rehabguy
Dampening is not set by turning your dial to C, S, S+ or M. That pretty much sets ride height and how your tranny will shift. Dampening is set via the button that has the pic of a shock absorber and gives you choice of two lights, None for softest and two lights on for firmest. The lowering links will pretty much tell your car what the max height will be. Hypothetically, if you set it to 1" fender gap. That's where your car will sit when it is in C. Turning the knob to S -> M will make your car you a bit lower. Or at least that's my experience with it. When I shut off my car it returns to the height in C. Some forum members say theirs "air out" (as in theirs sit lower). When I drive in S+ is when I see the rear fender gap at the lowest. And, again, this is independent from dampening.
Hope this helps.
The answer is in there: " The lowering links will pretty much tell your car what the max height will be." The links are essentially fooling your suspension to think it is operating at stock ride height even though it is not. The links don't have any effect on anything other than ride height.


(PS, I thought you were selling the car?)
The following users liked this post:
BCP (04-26-2022)
Old 04-26-2022, 09:30 AM
  #11  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Originally Posted by cotmfk
The answer is in there: " The lowering links will pretty much tell your car what the max height will be." The links are essentially fooling your suspension to think it is operating at stock ride height even though it is not. The links don't have any effect on anything other than ride height.


(PS, I thought you were selling the car?)
But the links are a one time set point?

And I was, but supposly 58k is to expensive for a 22k miles e63 😣
Old 04-26-2022, 11:21 AM
  #12  
BCP
Senior Member
 
BCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Northern Va
Posts: 352
Received 127 Likes on 99 Posts
2014 E63s
Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
But the links are a one time set point?

And I was, but supposly 58k is to expensive for a 22k miles e63 😣
Yes, once you get them set for your preferred ride height, you wouldnt need to keep changing them. It is only a link with adjustable ends, so not something you can set differently for each suspension mode. It just tricks the car into thinking it is at a different height and thus lowers the car.
Old 04-26-2022, 01:14 PM
  #13  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Rehabguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,009
Received 284 Likes on 222 Posts
E63S
Not to makes matters more complex for OP, but I found this last night:
Ride Height Thread 2017

Dampening modes also affect ride height?

On a slightly different note yet related to discussion... Be gentle on them KW Links



WD40 is your friend
I am convinced this is why the kit comes with 3 links
Old 04-26-2022, 01:55 PM
  #14  
BCP
Senior Member
 
BCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Northern Va
Posts: 352
Received 127 Likes on 99 Posts
2014 E63s
Originally Posted by Rehabguy
Not to makes matters more complex for OP, but I found this last night:
Ride Height Thread 2017

Dampening modes also affect ride height?

On a slightly different note yet related to discussion... Be gentle on them KW Links



WD40 is your friend
I am convinced this is why the kit comes with 3 links
I was dismayed the kit came with plastic links. Ended up going for piece of mind and bought metal links

https://www.ebay.com/itm/15345410876...mis&media=COPY
Old 04-26-2022, 02:21 PM
  #15  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Rehabguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,009
Received 284 Likes on 222 Posts
E63S
Originally Posted by BCP
I was dismayed the kit came with plastic links. Ended up going for piece of mind and bought metal links

https://www.ebay.com/itm/15345410876...mis&media=COPY
I feel you, bro. I bought the exact same ones when the above happened. I tried the KW website to replace the broken link, but they have everything from perches to key chains but the damn link. Maybe they want you to buy another HAS kit when this happens

OP, the above eBay link sells metal rear lowering links that are 10 million times nicer and easier to install and remove than the plastic turds that come in the $1K HAS kit. It'd be an additional expense but well worth it IMO.
The following users liked this post:
BCP (04-27-2022)
Old 05-02-2022, 07:21 PM
  #16  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Where are you guys purchasing your kits from? I found them on tire rack for 989 shipped, but the image shows 4 springs not 2,but says it's compatible with my car.
Old 05-02-2022, 08:15 PM
  #17  
BCP
Senior Member
 
BCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Northern Va
Posts: 352
Received 127 Likes on 99 Posts
2014 E63s
Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
Where are you guys purchasing your kits from? I found them on tire rack for 989 shipped, but the image shows 4 springs not 2,but says it's compatible with my car.
bought mine from vivid racing, who pretty much drop-shios everything. You can’t go by the photos - they are just stock images and not representative of the actual product for our cars. You don’t get four springs - you get two springs, two adjustable spring perches, two adjustable rear links, and a spanner wrench.
Old 05-02-2022, 10:15 PM
  #18  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Rehabguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 1,009
Received 284 Likes on 222 Posts
E63S


I don't remember where I got mine from. This plus the wrenches is what you get. Paid something close to what you did. I got it ~3yrs ago.
Old 05-10-2022, 03:51 PM
  #19  
Member
 
wolves.creed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 75
Received 20 Likes on 11 Posts
E63s





Old 05-10-2022, 04:01 PM
  #20  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Originally Posted by wolves.creed
What about the front?



What about the front?
Old 05-10-2022, 04:34 PM
  #21  
BCP
Senior Member
 
BCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Northern Va
Posts: 352
Received 127 Likes on 99 Posts
2014 E63s
Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
What about the front?
Quoted wrong person
Old 05-10-2022, 04:36 PM
  #22  
BCP
Senior Member
 
BCP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Northern Va
Posts: 352
Received 127 Likes on 99 Posts
2014 E63s
Originally Posted by wolves.creed





they only have airmatic in the rear - that module isn’t going to do anything for the front. You can either get lowering springs or an adjustable coil over type setup.
​​​​​​​
Old 05-10-2022, 04:50 PM
  #23  
Super Member
Thread Starter
 
Mojo20032004's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 596
Received 257 Likes on 170 Posts
2014 E63S
Yea I figured that much out. Already got the rear links. Arrived last week. Now most likely will do kw and call it a day for the front
The following users liked this post:
BCP (05-11-2022)
Old 05-10-2022, 04:51 PM
  #24  
Member
 
wolves.creed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 75
Received 20 Likes on 11 Posts
E63s
I dont have problem with the front. For me it sits perfect in front. My only problem was rear, in comfort it would have an ugly big gap. I had to drive it in first position in sport modeto lower the rear. That madethe whole car stiff. Now i can drive it in comfort mode

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Kw lowering springs question



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:53 AM.