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The new CCB specific shields, compared to the iron shields.. They are identical _except_ for the flat area that extends out past the knuckle bolts on the CCB ones.
Different left and right part numbers
Iron splash shield and CCB splash shield exact same stamping except extra flat part on CCB version
Iron splash shield
CCB splash shield
Last edited by I.T. Guy; May 11, 2022 at 11:49 PM.
You will need these brackets for the front with 212-218-402 stamped on them to fit the Gold CCB calipers.
I was lucky and swapped brakes with a member here and we figured it out and traded brackets. I don’t think Mercedes sells these brackets! You will need to buy the whole caliper assembly to get them or find a donor car. If someone has a source for these brackets I’d be interested to know.
I also did all new front bracket to knuckle bolts just to be safe.
CCB caliper to knuckle bracket and baggie with part number for 4 new bolts.
Old iron brackets - you _will_ need a breaker bar!
Last edited by I.T. Guy; May 16, 2022 at 01:36 PM.
Looking forward to the write up so we can add to sticky - this will be a legendary thread
I made a trade my new Girodisc Iron setup with Red calipers plus cash for low mileage CCB.
Dealer quoted CAD$32k before labour!
Dealer part numbers below but they left out the front hose part numbers that I posted pics above.
Warning! I’m unclear if the caliper part numbers for the front calipers include the caliper to knuckle brackets. I would encourage anyone proceeding to double check that! The brackets seem to be unobtanium.
EDIT: I had to buy new calipers to get this project done, and, they come assembled with the brackets
Last edited by I.T. Guy; Jun 18, 2022 at 02:59 PM.
Oh, man!... Now you will HAVE to go 20s if you wanna get a set of Step Lip wheels
Congrats on the upgrade! I am sure many members will use this as reference for their own future upgrade.
Please post up driving (Braking, rather) impressions!
Some notes:
1. Brake lines - is that tab the only thing preventing those lines from working? Do the banjos screw into the new calipers? If so, then grind off that tab, and run them. Flip side, brake lines are a wear item and sometimes it's good to replace old/worn stuff with new.
2. Dust shield - Is there any interference on the iron brake dust shields or just an extra bit of coverage? If there's no interference, could just run the iron ones on the CCBs.
3. Brake caliper brackets - Easy to fix if you have someone create a CAD model of it. Give me specs and I can do that and post the STL file for someone to take to a local library to have 3D printed and tested. From there, you send them to a CNC shop and make copies. I just did custom brake hats for another car: 3d printed brake hat for testing
Nice work! The CCB setup on the E63 is a really nice package. Definite braking improvement in brake feel and repeatability. Then there's the GOLD! Love it.
Nice work! The CCB setup on the E63 is a really nice package. Definite braking improvement in brake feel and repeatability. Then there's the GOLD! Love it.
Some notes:
1. Brake lines - is that tab the only thing preventing those lines from working? Do the banjos screw into the new calipers? If so, then grind off that tab, and run them. Flip side, brake lines are a wear item and sometimes it's good to replace old/worn stuff with new.
2. Dust shield - Is there any interference on the iron brake dust shields or just an extra bit of coverage? If there's no interference, could just run the iron ones on the CCBs.
3. Brake caliper brackets - Easy to fix if you have someone create a CAD model of it. Give me specs and I can do that and post the STL file for someone to take to a local library to have 3D printed and tested. From there, you send them to a CNC shop and make copies. I just did custom brake hats for another car: 3d printed brake hat for testing
1) edit: no the banjo is incorrect the tabs could not be ground off.
2) only extra bit of coverage. I didn't want any hassle of rocks/chips on the inside, or potential (imaginary?) heat problems the CCB could throw off vs. the smaller irons. The shields are cheap, a couple hundy from dealer.
3) absolutely! They are just brackets, no rocket science here.
Last edited by I.T. Guy; May 29, 2022 at 08:39 PM.
I have a small issue with the front hoses rubbing and the way Mercedes looks up parts by VIN is hindering me finding out. I think need a slightly longer hose.
Yep
The hoses I'm using are too short, they are for 2WD cars.
The correct hoses for AWD cars are:
218-420-01-48 left
218-420-02-48 right
2-3 weeks from Germany. Ouch!
LOL
"Never mod your DD"
I'll correct my post above WRT part numbers
Take your old brake lines to a Parker hoses and have them make you new ones that are slightly longer. Might be $100 for two. It'll take them a few hours.
Take your old brake lines to a Parker hoses and have them make you new ones that are slightly longer. Might be $100 for two. It'll take them a few hours.
I will have to do this since the hoses finally arrived from Germany and they are correct length but
the same banjo that doesn’t fit.
What I figured out is, the 2wd calipers have direct line flare caliper holes, with shorter lines since no front axes to route around.
Seems when they changed to AWD and lengthened the hoses to go around the front axels they also changed to banjo bolt calipers.
I need direct lines made since on further inspection the 2wd gold calipers are not machined for a banjo bolt and fail to seal, plus the banjo bottoms out.
So Monday I get to call around and have longer flex hoses made or find ones somewhere online.
Takeaway when doing a caliper swap:
2wd to 2wd ok use the 2wd direct flared line flex hoses
AWD to AWD ok use the longer banjo flex hoses
AWD to 2wd ok use the longer banjo flex hoses
2wd to AWD no Mercedes flex hoses will work. You need to make direct line hoses that are long enough EDIT: THIS DID NOT WORK SO I BOUGHT AWD CALIPERS see below
2wd direct line style flex hose but it’s too short for AWD
AWD banjo flex lines DO NOT TRY TO TORQUE DOWN too long bottoms out will not seal on non-banjo calipers
Correct 2wd line on left is too short for AWD cars that use banjo type hose on the right
Need to make / source longer direct line hoses
Flare in caliper. 2wd caliper not machined for banjo bolt washer.
That's right! With work and a few trips and two vacations and waiting for parts it's been a comedy of no time since I first posted and found the hoses don't fit.
I'm going to John Stewart Power Brake today to have front hoses made. I'll probably have them make me spares too since I have created a Frankenstein, which is ironic, the whole reason I stuck with Mercedes Parts was for easy serviceability. Ha ha best laid plans.
NEXT TIME I would suggest anyone following in my footsteps in being a frugal **** buying used parts is to only get AWD calipers if you have AWD. I didn't think it mattered, and it does matter when it comes to the hoses.
Oh well, now I'm an expert
Last edited by I.T. Guy; May 30, 2022 at 09:57 AM.
P.S. I'm sick of driving a C300 cabriolet we have. It is SOOOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW. I can't wait to press the loud pedal on my car again.
Guys we get used to it and think it's normal but our cars are stinkin' fast. Save for a handful of exotics the E63 is top of the heap.
I fixed my hose problem!
Basically you need AWD calipers for AWD and the AWD lines.
These are the front left and right part numbers from post #6.
Shiny!
They come with the caliper to knuckle bracket already installed.
FWD won’t clear axels
AWD and banjo clears axles and the tabs keep it from loosening when the calipers move with steering and suspension. Bending custom lines are still too close for comfort and can wiggle loose.
Yes, maybe rears too since I want the paint to all match colours. But you can see how long I take to do things and I'm not ready to spend more money on the rears yet if I don't have to right now. We'll see when I go to bleed if the rears are AWD specific too LOL.
This has been a great learning experience. I sure hope I save someone else the time and expense!
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