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Old Aug 17, 2022 | 04:46 PM
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I think my E63 is tuned. Any easy way of telling?

Hi all. Newbie to the Mercedes game here. Sold my Lexus GS F and picked up a 2014 E63 from a dealer auction. After I received it, I realized that something had been done to it performance wise. My suspicion arose from when I started it. It is: a) louder than what I anticipated b)has a strong exhaust smell. So I looked underneath and found that the cats have been deleted. Vehicle doesn't show a check engine light, yet the o2 sensors are still present. So my understanding is that for the light to not go off, previous owner would have had to put a tune on the ECU correct? Lastly, the OBD port cover was hanging open. I don't have another E63 to compare mine with nor have I put it on the dyno. I've emailed eurocharged, weistec, and renntech with my VIN number. Renntech said they didn't have the vin file, eurocharged told me they don't have a way to check by vin, and have yet to receive a reply from weistec. The vehicle is from Concord, CA so it's possible that the previous owner took it to German Autotech Inc out of Walnut Creek, CA. Anyways, any help is appreciated. Maybe the last owner is a member here?
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Old Aug 17, 2022 | 05:04 PM
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Any tuner can pull the ecu data and compare against a stock ecu data file they have

also email AMS in west chicago, Illinois with the vin

check the screws on the ecu housing itself and look for any drill marks; you're correct that the o2 sensor issue is dialed out in the ecu with custom tune

but hey - how does it drive and perform? Have you check for codes/dtc's?

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Old Aug 17, 2022 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers
Any tuner can pull the ecu data and compare against a stock ecu data file they have

also email AMS in west chicago, Illinois with the vin

check the screws on the ecu housing itself and look for any drill marks; you're correct that the o2 sensor issue is dialed out in the ecu with custom tune

but hey - how does it drive and perform? Have you check for codes/dtc's?
I just got the car last weekend. It needs some cosmetic work etc. I purchased it as a weekend/fun car so I have yet to take it out on the street and give it the beans. I will pop the beauty cover off tonight and see if anything has been done to the ECU. Thanks for the AMS tip as well.
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Old Aug 17, 2022 | 10:46 PM
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Also, since the cats have been deleted, I’m guessing the likelihood that it has a stage 2 tune is pretty high correct?
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Originally Posted by CZ 75
Also, since the cats have been deleted, I’m guessing the likelihood that it has a stage 2 tune is pretty high correct?
not necessarily ... people do random things ... first thing to do is drive it hard and maybe use dragy to document the trip/performance
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@CZ 75 where are you located? I'm in Danville and I am happy to compare my stock e63 wagon to yours.
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@CZ 75 where are you located? I'm in Danville and I am happy to compare my stock e63 wagon to yours.
I'm in Idaho. Not many E63's here lol.
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not necessarily ... people do random things ... first thing to do is drive it hard and maybe use dragy to document the trip/performance

This is what I was going to say - run a dragy or dyno.
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Originally Posted by cotmfk
This is what I was going to say - run a dragy or dyno.
Ya I'll get to that eventually. But that won't tell me who the tune came from, so that's what I'm trying to find out. Might end up doing some facebook stalking for the previous owner, they left their phone connected to the car.
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Originally Posted by CZ 75
Hi all. Newbie to the Mercedes game here. Sold my Lexus GS F and picked up a 2014 E63 from a dealer auction. After I received it, I realized that something had been done to it performance wise. My suspicion arose from when I started it. It is: a) louder than what I anticipated b)has a strong exhaust smell. So I looked underneath and found that the cats have been deleted. Vehicle doesn't show a check engine light, yet the o2 sensors are still present. So my understanding is that for the light to not go off, previous owner would have had to put a tune on the ECU correct? Lastly, the OBD port cover was hanging open. I don't have another E63 to compare mine with nor have I put it on the dyno. I've emailed eurocharged, weistec, and renntech with my VIN number. Renntech said they didn't have the vin file, eurocharged told me they don't have a way to check by vin, and have yet to receive a reply from weistec. The vehicle is from Concord, CA so it's possible that the previous owner took it to German Autotech Inc out of Walnut Creek, CA. Anyways, any help is appreciated. Maybe the last owner is a member here?
Attach a pic of the car maybe someone will know.

I actually bought a car out of state (bad experience but I won’t go into that here) and found the previous owner and messaged him for any mods he did since it had muffler delete, aftermarket wheels and chrome delete.

he never responded but I was hoping it had a tune as well. I ended up taking to a local mb shop and they confirmed it had a stock tune.

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Ya I'll get to that eventually. But that won't tell me who the tune came from, so that's what I'm trying to find out. Might end up doing some facebook stalking for the previous owner, they left their phone connected to the car.
many tuners can send you a handheld mygenius - simply attach to your obd2 (vin specific) it'll upload the current ecu file and then you can email it to any tuner to find out -- obviously you'll get more love from big name tuners
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German Autotech deals with Eurocharged so that would be who it's tuned by if it is.

Which WC dealer did you get the car from? I'm from the area and know both of the major dealers here so I can ask.
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Originally Posted by The1stWright
German Autotech deals with Eurocharged so that would be who it's tuned by if it is.

Which WC dealer did you get the car from? I'm from the area and know both of the major dealers here so I can ask.
They’re also a Weistec dealer. I should have been more specific and said it came from IAA. I picked it up last week. Vehicle needs a little work(passenger doors and a fender need to be replaced) before I can drive it. I’ll post up some pics once it’s in a more presentable state. Parts are coming next week. For now here is a little preview.



Sorry, she’s a bit dirty from sitting outside for the last few months… 😆




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You up north or down south? Im back and forth between ID (north) and CA, but definitely true there aren't too many e63s in ID
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You up north or down south? Im back and forth between ID (north) and CA, but definitely true there aren't too many e63s in ID
South, Boise area.
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ETA, located the previous owner. According to his social media post, vehicle has 790hp to the crank. Awaiting his reply on who’s tune it actually has. Only one that I can think of that can put out those kind of numbers is Renntech’s R3. But I don’t see $22k worth of mods in the engine bay. So may have been removed. Guess we’ll find out!

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ETA, located the previous owner. According to his social media post, vehicle has 790hp to the crank. Awaiting his reply on who’s tune it actually has. Only one that I can think of that can put out those kind of numbers is Renntech’s R3. But I don’t see $22k worth of mods in the engine bay. So may have been removed. Guess we’ll find out!
Renntech inflates their numbers
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Renntech inflates their numbers
not surprised. But for it to have the R3 it would need to have all of the supporting parts which i do not see. So either it’s a different tune or the previous owner removed everything. Hopefully he responds.
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2014 E63S; AMS 100 octane ECU dyno tune; EDOK TCU tune; BB intakes; sprintbooster

E63 AMS 100 octane tune with black boost intakes and tcu tune ... tune cost me a whopping $900, intakes $1200, tcu tune $1500

its no R3 but it still gets me down the 1/4 in mid 10's
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers

E63 AMS 100 octane tune with black boost intakes and tcu tune ... tune cost me a whopping $900, intakes $1200, tcu tune $1500

its no R3 but it still gets me down the 1/4 in mid 10's
i want a tcu tune, just gotta pass smog first 😂

9 months and counting
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Originally Posted by PeterUbers

E63 AMS 100 octane tune with black boost intakes and tcu tune ... tune cost me a whopping $900, intakes $1200, tcu tune $1500

its no R3 but it still gets me down the 1/4 in mid 10's
Any idea what you put down on 93 octane?

How is the driveability?
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This did not have black boost intakes or tcu
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Any idea what you put down on 93 octane?

How is the driveability?
super smooth shifts and easy drivability... feels all OEM quality in terms of the drive ... throttle tip in much better and launching is spectacular pulling 2.6's 0-60 per dragy (with 60ft rollout)

@jvakos has the same 100 tune as me and intakes (his graph superimposed on my dyno graph) and he's pulling 10.4 1/4's in cold weather (40F)

Jvakos and peterubers; only difference in cars is mine is 2014 his is 2015 and his has colder plugs gapped narrow mine are stock plugs gapped stock

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Thanks for sharing.

Is the 546 hp 598 tq dyno curve the OEM tune or another tune?

Stock exhaust? Cats etc?

Did you have to send in your ECU? or is there an OBD tuning option?

I don't think the TCU tune will change the dyno curves, but correct me if I am wrong. Too bad you don't have some runs with the BB intakes.

Again, thanks for posting the 93 octane runs. No e85 here, so only able to run 93 or 94 (limited stations).
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