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Old 04-14-2023, 02:19 PM
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W213 brakes fitment

Does anyone know if the W213 brakes will bolt to the W212?
I think the rear calipers are different but unsure about the rest. Anyone know?
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I have installed the front rotors of the w213, w205, w231, gt... they are direct bolt on, 390mm with 15mm spacers for caliper brackets, A2314211812 part nb.

Left is stock 360mm, right 390mm.



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I'm wondering if my W212 CCB front rotors and calipers will fit the front of a W213

The rears I'm pretty sure the calipers are different, I'm wondering if at least the rotors fit the rears

Goal is to move my brakes to a W213 and only have to buy two rear W213 gold calipers...
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i have no idea about fitment or the rear rotors, maybe i can help if you have the part nb of the rear rotors or vin of your w212.
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W212 The rear rotor is 212-423-14-12
W212 The front rotor 231-421-16-12
W212 front calipers are 212-421-9798 and 212-421-9998
A W212 vin with CCB is WDDHF7EBXDA723252

This thread shows the rear calipers will not work on the W213:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...pot-style.html

I'm hoping maybe everything else will work dimensionally even if the part numbers are different.
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I'm guessing the master cylinder is different 212 vs 213 . Wonder if it's significant enough to cause any issue .. yes rear calipers they changed the whole setup on the 213's. I was initally going to swap to ccb's on my 212 . But kind of shifted my efforts into a 213 search as well ha.
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213 used a 390mm front rotor. 212 use a 360mm rotor.
A 212 with 15mm spacers or the solo motorsports brakets can use 213 rotors.
a 212 with ceramics uses a 402mm rotor... i have not found an alternative for this yet.

as for calipers i ~think~ the 212 and 213 use the exact same caliper, but the 212 uses a bracket to bolt to the knuckle and the 213 bolts directly to the knuckle. this is based on a close visual inspection side by side
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Originally Posted by kenneyd
a 212 with ceramics uses a 402mm rotor... i have not found an alternative for this yet.
There's these:
https://girodisc.com/mercedes-402mm-...or-conversion/
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Originally Posted by kenneyd
213 used a 390mm front rotor. 212 use a 360mm rotor.
A 212 with 15mm spacers or the solo motorsports brakets can use 213 rotors.
a 212 with ceramics uses a 402mm rotor... i have not found an alternative for this yet.

as for calipers i ~think~ the 212 and 213 use the exact same caliper, but the 212 uses a bracket to bolt to the knuckle and the 213 bolts directly to the knuckle. this is based on a close visual inspection side by side
Yeah I'm trying to put my W212 402mm fronts on a W213. Every time my new car has been slotted to build it gets put on hold or something due to no CCB's. I finally accepted a build with regular red caliper iron brakes to not miss out on a 2023. Getting CCB at the factory is a hit and miss lottery and the stars never lined up for me. I'm kind of annoyed about it as I see other people getting their CCB's built on 2023's but, whatever, it is what it is I guess.

To buy the W213 brakes new separately is more than double the price of the factory option so it just stings even more, salt in the wound
https://www.ebay.com/itm/162799647467
Not to mention my VIN will never have the B07 code.

I've been hounding my dealer to get me the parts cheaper and have them put them on when the car is delivered, they are looking into it but I don't really trust they are trying that hard. So if I can move mine over to the W213 when it comes and only have to buy two rear calipers I will save $20k. Plus probably I could sell the W213 brand new takeoffs and just put jobbers on my W212 to trade it/sell it...

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Originally Posted by I.T. Guy
W212 The rear rotor is 212-423-14-12
W212 The front rotor 231-421-16-12
W212 front calipers are 212-421-9798 and 212-421-9998
A W212 vin with CCB is WDDHF7EBXDA723252

This thread shows the rear calipers will not work on the W213:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...pot-style.html

I'm hoping maybe everything else will work dimensionally even if the part numbers are different.
I checked now epc, your front rotors, calipers and brackets will fit on w213 but the rear does not fit, the rear rotors fit only w212, w218 and w197.
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I was able to source great rotors . There's a couple of different manufacturers. The problem is the quality varies between them all. Imagine laying out 8-9k to find out it's subpar and won't last. It wasn't easy and definitely cost me good money paying for just sample disc for me to find the manufacturer that had the top notch material and product, but only sell a minimum amount of rotors if you want them. I feel throwing stock sized high quality carbon ceramic was the best choice . Easy to install, long lasting and easy to swap out for steels in the winter if it's a daily . And perfect for the guy trying to get the most performers and remove a bunch of weight . Each rotor weight is 13.7 lb . That is about 86 lb removed from going from stock and about 44 lbs from giro disc 2 piece . I think that's fantastic imho. There's no guess work when I tackle a project or product . As you can see I had all rotors so that I can do a real comparison and not just guess . Factory ccb, 2 piece giro with titanium hardware, stock 1.5 piece and A2d performance direct fit carbon ceramic .






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Originally Posted by Robert AMG
I checked now epc, your front rotors, calipers and brackets will fit on w213 but the rear does not fit, the rear rotors fit only w212, w218 and w197.
Kick ***, thank you for confirming. So worst case scenario I am 1/2 way there and just need to source rears.

I'm guessing the rear rotors/discs are different in the e-brake area to accommodate the different e-brake function on the newer W213 calipers. . Makes sense.

Much appreciated!
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If anyone comes across of brackets to use for 390mm without spacers. Please share
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Originally Posted by Robert AMG
I checked now epc, your front rotors, calipers and brackets will fit on w213 but the rear does not fit, the rear rotors fit only w212, w218 and w197.
@Robert AMG can you please check if these parts will fit a W213?

Vin of W213 with CCB:
W1KZH8KB0PB132919

Part numbers I’m trying to see if will fit W213:

Front left rotor part number: A 232 421 35 00

Front right rotor part number: A 232 421 36 00

Front left caliper part number: 20A39903

Front right caliper part number: 20A39904

Rear right rotor part number: A 232 423 22 00

Rear left rotor part number: A 232 423 21 00

Rear right caliper part number:22E0120200

Rear left caliper part number: 22E0120201
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i have offline EPC and the latest version is 11/2018, those part numbers and vin are latest so i can't help here, you need online epc account.
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i have offline EPC and the latest version is 11/2018, those part numbers and vin are latest so i can't help here, you need online epc account.
Thank you!

It’s ok -just today- I found a 2023 with CCB and bought it.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post8783083

So project Frankenstein is no longer required!
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