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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 12:17 PM
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Yes. I have been using the Castrol 5/50 and loving it. You can see my oil story under my name if you have not. Its mentioned when discussing my cylinder walls. The goal for me was to not have to use additives, but the best oil for the application.

I’ve tried searching your posting about oil, but couldn’t find anything.
if you could forward it to me, I’d appreciate it.

lastly, any reason why you’re hesitant on additives?
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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
I am going to poor that in ASAP after cleaning my bypass valve.

The MOTUL easter base stock truly handles high heat without oxidizing but 5w40 viscosity is too short... so it can get vaporized.

5w40 viscosity seems huge next to a modern 10w30 oil. It's just our oil pump is under rev'ed and squirters are under-sized.


Valvoline 15w40 viscosity was an improvement but the stock oil oxidize this time without vaporizing.

So it's a mixed bag

Now I am hoping the excellent Motul ester 5W50 will remain stable and cool passed 3kMi.

All marketing claims over promise an under deliver. It is really difficult to come up with a short list of good products that meet our needs and are available at a fair price-point.

+++ Nice seal! +++
What I am really enjoying are the responsive rich mixtures and solid accelerator pedal when contributions are balanced from clean sealed rings.
The ECU keeps the tranny working around 2000.Rpm... not confused with 7th gear at 30Mph!
how do you clean bypass valve?
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Originally Posted by E63SAMG2014
how do you clean bypass valve?
I have been wondering that as well...

I am going to use paint thinner as a mild solvent...
poured in to cover the bypass valve cup
dump that on a paper towel for collection
rinse with unused left over 15w40 oil.

It's only a free insurance step.
I am curious to see if any metal shavings were stored.

We believe this is how contaminents that spin bearings around enter the clean oil stream.

Spun bearings are so common that may indicate a failure of the plastic bypass valve with stock oil.

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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 02:24 PM
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Motul 8100 Power does not state “MB Approved 229.5”

Motul 8100 X-cess gen2 does state MB Approved right in front of its bottle.

Concerning factor surely, any feedback in regards to this?
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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by E63SAMG2014
Motul 8100 Power does not state “MB Approved 229.5”

Motul 8100 X-cess gen2 does state MB Approved right in front of its bottle.

Concerning factor surely, any feedback in regards to this?
MB Approval scope is quite narrow:
from 0w40 all the way to 5w40:
essentially the same thin oil that rapidly shear.

If you want to remain closer stock... MOTUL 5W40 API-SP ester oil does a real good job with uncontrolled heat and honey unburned color.

CASTROL Edge perhaps does too ??

Look for "API-SP" rating.

VVT Gears positioning is MAPPED... not dynamically calculated.
This best requires stable oil viscosity ie. temperature!


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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 05:29 PM
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Why don’t I see people using the Motul 300v?

Why don’t you use it cali? Given motul300v’s viscosity is superior of it all.

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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by E63SAMG2014
Why don’t I see people using the Motul 300v?

Why don’t you use it cali? Given motul300v’s viscosity is superior of it all.
I just think it’s pricey…too pricey for me at this time.

curious to hear others opinions too
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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 05:57 PM
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I just think it’s pricey…too pricey for me at this time.

curious to hear others opinions too

motul300v is same price as motul power

the focal point is that the oil shears quick and oxidizes. 300v is a proven oil that is least likely to shear. I just don’t get why not spend more on oil to prevent such tragedy? And not to mention it’s merely a double the price of xcess gen2 and a mobil1s and liquimoly.

in life you get what you pay for right?

it seems ludacris for 63 owners to cheap out on 100 dollars compared to “generic” oil.
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Old Nov 9, 2024 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by E63SAMG2014
motul300v is same price as motul power

the focal point is that the oil shears quick and oxidizes. 300v is a proven oil that is least likely to shear. I just don’t get why not spend more on oil to prevent such tragedy? And not to mention it’s merely a double the price of xcess gen2 and a mobil1s and liquimoly.

in life you get what you pay for right?

it seems ludacris for 63 owners to cheap out on 100 dollars compared to “generic” oil.
Double-check Motul specs...
best of the best for some applications
best of the best... for some applications

I believe racing oil uses heavy ZDDP that's not compatible with Cats + Lambda longevity. This is done to supplement lost viscosity under high heat.

5W40 viscosity is what "MB Approval" calls for.

Ester based formula will handle racing heat without shearing into a 10W30
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Old Nov 10, 2024 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Motul API-SP oil in 5W40 weight.
MOTUL API-SP oil in 5W40 weight.

Within the limits of your pre-selection....
I'd use the above for its proven flash point.

You won't get a lot of missing oil vaporized onto your intake valves.

The RedLine you're showing is an excellent ZDDP racing oil for cat-free tuned ECU.

My personal fav. being:
MOTUL API-SP in 5W50 weight
MOTUL API-SP in 5W50 weight
(received this week!)
curious as well on how our engines will react to this Motul 5w50, keep us updated please! Currently using liquid moly 5w40 no issues. Would switch to 5w50 if it’s better for our cars.
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Originally Posted by E63SAMG2014
I’ve tried searching your posting about oil, but couldn’t find anything.
if you could forward it to me, I’d appreciate it.

lastly, any reason why you’re hesitant on additives?
Here you go. It also explains why I’m not looking to use additives. Too much of any of these additives becomes a negative factor in chemistry, to include ph stability. I likely had stuck rings due to too much ceratec, since my oci is super short. My only mistake in that thread might be thinking that my old motul was sp. I’ll be sending an email to find out.

Im at 1k miles with the 50 and it truly is performing better, for me.

For anyone really wanting to learn about oil and form their own conclusions, I really recommend “the oil geek” on YouTube. He is unmatched in his modern conveyance of this knowledge, imo.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...72k-miles.html



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Old Nov 14, 2024 | 09:44 PM
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Old Nov 15, 2024 | 10:15 AM
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Here's what I just used a couple of days ago and have experienced immediate improvement in engine smoothness and throttle response. Fairly inexpensive by comparison at about $8.50/quart or less from Walmart.


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Here's what I just used a couple of days ago and have experienced immediate improvement in engine smoothness and throttle response. Fairly inexpensive by comparison at about $8.50/quart or less from Walmart.

Thanks for the recommendation, good to hear the positive experience. Now there is another option to add to my list, decisions decisons : )
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I’ve decided to go with redline euro for now. Not the full synthetic redline that contains high zddp.

next will try the x-cess gen2.

than onto motul 8100 power
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selection given 5w-40 Approval

-- You want to use an 5W40 SN oil...
It's a compatible MB Approved oil
(besides SN: LSPI)


-- Your engine may be well served with
MOTUL 5W40 ester based API-SP... really clean!


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Is that an old foto of Red Line? Just wondering if new stock is API SP rated or still SN rated. Based on what we know now, I would skip it and go only with API SP rated oils. Also, not sure jumping around different oils is a good idea. I've gone from Mobil 1 to Pennzoil to Castrol but consider each switch to be my last. The theory is that different brands of oil can have different additives that may cause unintended results.
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Great feedback, I will proceed with the following

previously I’ve used 5-40 MB Euro FS
it’s API-CF rated. It states of MB approved 229.5 unlike motul power. I wonder why

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-fs-5w-40


Should I add Mos2 with it? As I’ve always done during Oil change. Or no

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oiling limits

"MB Approved" oils are best for stock applications.

When you become motivated to cancel throttle lag and heatsoaks you can willfully decide to experiment beyond the limits of stock oiling.

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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
"MB Approved" oils are best for stock applications.

When you become motivated to cancel throttle lag and heatsoaks you can willfully decide to experiment beyond the limits of stock oiling.
5W40 *ONLY*
In the past, I’ve used mobil1 fs euro, Liquimoly and onto mb dealership oils. (Always a bottle of mos2 was added)

I will be passing on the redline and motul excess gen2 and decided on going forward with Motul 8100 power.

the car is bone stock, but I do driving it like it’s stolen.
Would like to use what best engine oil, money could buy at the same time staying within spec according to MB.

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Originally Posted by E63SAMG2014

Great feedback, I will proceed with the following

previously I’ve used 5-40 MB Euro FS
it’s API-CF rated. It states of MB approved 229.5 unlike motul power. I wonder why

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/...bil-1-fs-5w-40


Should I add Mos2 with it? As I’ve always done during Oil change. Or no
MOTUL Gen-2 SN has MB Approval, perhaps newer SP doesn't.

Feel free to spot if any API-SP are MB-Approved.

Newer API-SP formulation is a departure in friction modifiers to mitigate LSPI issues with low tension rings.

LiqMoly is big on pushing additives where all other oil companies provide complete lubricant package and recommend against tainting their blend.

"Mobil1 supercar" oil features heavy friction-modifiers... all-inclusive package.



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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
MOTUL Gen-2 SN has MB Approval, perhaps newer SP doesn't.

Feel free to spot if any API-SP are MB-Approved.

Newer API-SP formulation is a departure in friction modifiers to mitigate LSPI issues with low tension rings.

LiqMoly is big on pushing additives where all other oil companies provide complete lubricant package and recommend against tainting their blend.

"Mobil1 supercar" oil features heavy friction-modifiers... all-inclusive package.

I only wish it had some kind of “mb approved” stamp 🤣
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Originally Posted by E63SAMG2014
5W40 *ONLY*
In the past, I’ve used mobil1 fs euro, Liquimoly and onto mb dealership oils. (Always a bottle of mos2 was added)

I will be passing on the redline and motul excess gen2 and decided on going forward with Motul 8100 power.

the car is bone stock, but I do driving it like it’s stolen.
Would like to use what best engine oil, money could buy at the same time staying within spec according to MB.
Based on your application of spirited high RPM stock setup then I understand why you boost anti-friction package of premium oils :

-1- Motul ester base

-2- "Mobil1 Supercar"

-3- Castrol Edge

-4- Amsoil Signature

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The more I read about LSPI it seems to be directed at GDI turbo small displacement engines. I'm not sure the 5.5 V-8 is in that category yet. I think I'm going to do one more 3-5k run with the Motul sn rated 5w-40 and continue to read more on SP vs SN rating.
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