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Old 09-30-2017, 03:41 PM
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Well the wait is over for Canada. Some of you may be taking deliveries today. Start posting impressions and pictures please for all of anxious individuals in the US that still have to wait a couple more weeks.
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Well the wait is over for Canada. Some of you may be taking deliveries today. Start posting impressions and pictures please for all of anxious individuals in the US that still have to wait a couple more weeks.

Not happening, Cars have been moved to Corp. stores as the Halifax location is packed with over 1500 cars ...No word on delivery yet as I am sure cars will be held until further notice.

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I called my SA based on these threads. Car was initially delivered to Halifax the 1st week of May. He inquired today on the car’s status. The reply commented on the service campaign being completed as we speak. I am to expect the car mid-October. It’s the first one to be delivered to my dealership in Edmonton. It’s bitter sweet since I have been waiting for this car for so long but there was a dusting of snow on the ground today. Winter is starting much earlier this year it seems. Last year we were relatively clear to mid-November. I’m trying to work up my excitement but now I’m looking into winter tires. The fronts are an issue. The only option appears to be Pirelli W240 Sottozeros series II. Michelin Alpin PA4’s size appropriately for the rear but not the front. The Pirelli’s are a mediocre winter tire. Anyone with suggestions?
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I called my SA based on these threads. Car was initially delivered to Halifax the 1st week of May. He inquired today on the car’s status. The reply commented on the service campaign being completed as we speak. I am to expect the car mid-October. It’s the first one to be delivered to my dealership in Edmonton. It’s bitter sweet since I have een waiting for this car for so long but there was a dusting of snow on the ground today. Winter is starting much earlier this year it seems. Last year we were relatively clear to mid-November. I’m trying to work up my excitement but now I’m looking into winter tires. The fronts are an issue. The only option appears to be Pirelli W240 Sottozeros series II. Michelin Alpin PA4’s size appropriately for the rear but not the front. The Pirelli’s are a mediocre winter tire. Anyone with suggestions?
We are on the same boat ! Why 265/40/19 Michelin PA4 square would not working ? It’s the MB recommandation. But I’m unable to find the right load specs for now.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ires-rims.html

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ter-setup.html
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We are on the same boat ! Why 265/40/19 Michelin PA4 square would not working ? It’s the MB recommandation. But I’m unable to find the right load specs for now.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ires-rims.html

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ter-setup.html
I have my guy hunting down 20's for the OEM rims..Ill get some details tomorrow with pricing
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We are on the same boat ! Why 265/40/19 Michelin PA4 square would not working ? It’s the MB recommandation. But I’m unable to find the right load specs for now.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ires-rims.html

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ter-setup.html
Simarddominic... Thank you for pointing out these two threads. I had forgotten about their content. I was thinking about a 19” option as well but ideally I would like to fit the winter tires to the stock 20’s then buy some nice aftermarket 20’s and re-install the factory tires to those wheels. I was thinking about putting on a 285-30-20 which is 26.8 in overall diameter vs the stock 265-35-20 which is 27.3 in. Around 1% difference. I think this should be within tolerance. It is said that a change of 3% is the maximum change in general. I’m not sure if this little change could actually mess up the 4matic system though.
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Simarddominic... Thank you for pointing out these two threads. I had forgotten about their content. I was thinking about a 19” option as well but ideally I would like to fit the winter tires to the stock 20’s then buy some nice aftermarket 20’s and re-install the factory tires to those wheels. I was thinking about putting on a 285-30-20 which is 26.8 in overall diameter vs the stock 265-35-20 which is 27.3 in. Around 1% difference. I think this should be within tolerance. It is said that a change of 3% is the maximum change in general. I’m not sure if this little change could actually mess up the 4matic system though.
Let me know what you end up getting and where..I am just down in Calgary so would appreciate it
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Let me know what you end up getting and where..I am just down in Calgary so would appreciate it
Good to know. Will do. I’ll update here for all to know. Likewise, I hope others post as well.
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I was able to locate

Pirelli Sottozero Series 3 in stock staggered sizes and proper loads here in Toronto. I would have preferred a square setup as well but not sure about the width of the front wheels...
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Did you dealer express to you when you were there Saturday the car wasn’t released yet and it was just moved there because the VPC was full. Is there any truth to those reports by people?

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Pirelli Sottozero Series 3 in stock staggered sizes and proper loads here in Toronto. I would have preferred a square setup as well but not sure about the width of the front wheels...
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It’s funny

I was so excited to see the cars I don’t think the topic actually came up outside of discussing my delivery. I believe he indicated and at that time figured that delivery would proceed shortly. He told me that when he saw the transport earlier that morning he checked and saw that my car was still in Halifax. I guess I have already accepted my fate (delivery mid to late oct) and with how my dealer has taken care of me by giving me a brand new car to drive I’m fine. We are well past the point now of getting in some track time anyways lol
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Pirelli Sottozero Series 3 in stock staggered sizes and proper loads here in Toronto. I would have preferred a square setup as well but not sure about the width of the front wheels...
Hey, Orenlasko... You can get Sottozero Series 3 in stock 20” sizes? I can’t find the Series 3 in matching sizes only Series 2. Please send more information if you can.
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Hey, Orenlasko... You can get Sottozero Series 3 in stock 20” sizes? I can’t find the Series 3 in matching sizes only Series 2. Please send more information if you can.

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Hey, Orenlasko... You can get Sottozero Series 3 in stock 20” sizes? I can’t find the Series 3 in matching sizes only Series 2. Please send more information if you can.
Are you sure you want those in 20" Series 3 ?

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/pirelli...0-101w-xl.tire

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The Series 2 is slightly cheaper and has the 265-35-20 for the front. It’s crazy how expensive these winters are compared to a full set of 20” uhp Michelin Pilot Sport 4S’ I purchased for my Huracan. I know it sounds stupid to be complaining of a few dollars but it’s still surprising. I can get the Series 2 Sottozeros in the exact oem sizes if it comes down to it.
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Sorry, OP. Now we have really gone off the main title discussion ...



I am cheap. I am opting for a 19 ... conti TS 850P 255/40/19 square on this wheels + 4 tpms .. grand total around $3300



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Choices for OEM summer size, but for winter on PCMtire:

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

And choices for MB Spec, 265/40 R19 square:

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

And stagered with 295/35 R19 at the rear:

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

NOTE: The michelin PA4 in square settup don't have the right load cote. The only settup in 19" that it's completely on spec is with Continental.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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That’s a nice set up, bobblehead. I wonder if those or 19’s in general would fit over ccb’s? Going 19’s goes against my wish to save the stock rims for winter and buying a nice summer set using the oem summer tires.
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The Euro E63 are using the PA4 as well. However, I think the preference is to use Conti TS 830P (if you are looking being source as OEM set from factory). Do note the 830P is already considered obsolete as 850P replaces that.


Originally Posted by simarddominic
Choices for OEM summer size, but for winter on PCMtire:

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

And choices for MB Spec, 265/40 R19 square:

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

And stagered with 295/35 R19 at the rear:

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

NOTE: The michelin PA4 in square settup don't have the right load cote. The only settup in 19" that it's completely on spec is with Continental.

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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That’s a nice set up, bobblehead. I wonder if those or 19’s in general would fit over ccb’s? Going 19’s goes against my wish to save the stock rims for winter and buying a nice summer set using the oem summer tires.
Not very sure at all. I was researching just based on the standard steel brakes. The trouble is finding aftermarket wheels that I like and easy to clean (winter salt and dirt).

If you want the 20's, I guess just take the short term wallet pain and get them.
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That’s a nice set up, bobblehead. I wonder if those or 19’s in general would fit over ccb’s? Going 19’s goes against my wish to save the stock rims for winter and buying a nice summer set using the oem summer tires.
Because I don't use the car more than 3-4000 kM in winter and because I have a F-150 for the big ****, I want to go in the same way. OEM 20" wheel for winter and with a nice summer aftermarket wheel.

And I like black wheels and I can not have the RTS one on my command, I have RTR silver one.

I'm looking to order that one for summer: Zito ZF01 in black:


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The Euro E63 are using the PA4 as well. However, I think the preference is to use Conti TS 830P (if you are looking being source as OEM set from factory). Do note the 830P is already considered obsolete as 850P replaces that.
Oh...and I forget...nothing in 265/35 R20 In Michelin or Continental...

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

The only choice in 20" OEM size for winter is Pirelli - Winter 240 Sottozero Serie II
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Oh...and I forget...nothing in 265/35 R20 In Michelin or Continental...

https://pmctire.com/en/tires/usage/w...tion/desc.tire

The only choice in 20" OEM size for winter is Pirelli - Winter 240 Sottozero Serie II
Nokia R2 has 20" setup

255/35R20 97 R XL
up to 106 mph, max load 1610 lb


285/30R20 99 R XL
up to 106 mph, max load 1709 lb
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Nokia R2 has 20" setup

255/35R20 97 R XL
up to 106 mph, max load 1610 lb


285/30R20 99 R XL
up to 106 mph, max load 1709 lb


I searched only with the exact 20" and 19" specs...

20"
Front: 265/35 ZR20 (99 Y) XL
Rear: 295/30 ZR20 (101 Y) XL

19" Square
265/40 R19 102 V XL

19" staggered:
Front: 265/40 R19 102V M+S
Rear: 295/35 R19 104 V XL

BTW, it is the car the most complicated to put on for the winter I never had !

And with the winter that coming more soon this year, It will be dangerous to make the road that I had to make without winter shoes on the car when I will take delivery and comeback home !



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