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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 07:14 PM
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It must be off the chart 😲
I wish, the car didn't like the dyno or the dyno didn't like the car....

You can see the chart is just too funky to be anything to make a judgement call.

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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
I wish, the car didn't like the dyno or the dyno didn't like the car....

You can see the chart is just too funky to be anything to make a judgement call.


This is because your shop didnt put in in dyno mode (as I had mentioned)... you cant dyno a benz correctly if its not in that mode thus these errors. Your dyno operator should know this though- I showed this to Serge and he mirrored my thoughts.
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 09:38 PM
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Well he did but the car didn't like it, I tried.

I'll let you be the dyno queen now..
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
Well he did but the car didn't like it, I tried.

I'll let you be the dyno queen now..
yeah and ill show you the how its good to be the "king" LOL

you should really reach out the Serge as there is something your guy missed... but whatever if you like the tune who cares right?
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 09:59 PM
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So according to these 1/4mile numbers, W213 seems to be making fairly similar power as the W212...but the W213 obviously launches better. Looking forward to see if DPs make a nice difference.
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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
So according to these 1/4mile numbers, W213 seems to be making fairly similar power as the W212...but the W213 obviously launches better. Looking forward to see if DPs make a nice difference.
I assume you are talking tune vs tune cars right? The M157 was such a stage 1 car but then after that I didnt see much as you have said over and over. Im a BPU owner, meaning tune, drop, exhaust when necessary.

Did W212's with tunes trap 130? stage 1 no other mods?? i think its safe to say that the 9 speed MCT delivers a more efficient power delivery to the ground as evidenced but the stock trap speeds.

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Old Dec 6, 2017 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
yeah and ill show you the how its good to be the "king" LOL

you should really reach out the Serge as there is something your guy missed... but whatever if you like the tune who cares right?
Exactly, we did call Serge and ask but it's no biggie. I'm looking forward to see what you get on the dyno just for smiles.
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Old Dec 7, 2017 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
So according to these 1/4mile numbers, W213 seems to be making fairly similar power as the W212...but the W213 obviously launches better. Looking forward to see if DPs make a nice difference.
Stock W212 was showing roughly 630-640hp, and the W213 as shown above looks to be at least +40hp over that.
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Originally Posted by 24Hours
Stock W212 was showing roughly 630-640hp, and the W213 as shown above looks to be at least +40hp over that.
Correct. I was comparing tuned vs tuned 1/4mile mph which is arguably a better indicator of hp. The W213 is obviously a much improved car in all respects so I’m not trying to say otherwise, I’m just comparing the first bits of data to come out.
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Old Dec 7, 2017 | 12:59 PM
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hahaha I was just thinking right before I read your post. They specifically told me that they no longer offered the tune that put the car in 10s. Then turned off my CEL for and additional $900 for off road downpipes (no change to the tune whatsoever I later came to find out)
I still dont understand why them or any other tuner have stopped making a strong tune like that for the w212 platform
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Old Dec 7, 2017 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 24Hours
Stock W212 was showing roughly 630-640hp, and the W213 as shown above looks to be at least +40hp over that.
What about torque? W212 with tune only are making over 700WTQ and with DP 750+

Seems like the larger displacement of the w212 is better for torque while the twin scrolls of the W213 is making a decent bit more HP
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Old Dec 7, 2017 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
I assume you are talking tune vs tune cars right? The M157 was such a stage 1 car but then after that I didnt see much as you have said over and over. Im a BPU owner, meaning tune, drop, exhaust when necessary.

Did W212's with tunes trap 130? stage 1 no other mods?? i think its safe to say that the 9 speed MCT delivers a more efficient power delivery to the ground as evidenced but the stock trap speeds.
There was an old renntech tune that did make them trap 130, but then for whatever reason which i have no idea why, it stopped being produced.

Now they can still hit that trap but they need DPs and a good launch to get there....
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Old Dec 7, 2017 | 01:18 PM
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Old Dec 19, 2017 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
yeah and ill show you the how its good to be the "king" LOL

you should really reach out the Serge as there is something your guy missed... but whatever if you like the tune who cares right?
Dude did you get a final dyno number for the OE tune yet ?
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Old Dec 19, 2017 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
Dude did you get a final dyno number for the OE tune yet ?
Nope... only the chassis dyno before and then I ran out of time and left. Serge wants to dyno it on a regular machine so we will reflash to stock, dyno, flash, then redyno but now that its the holidays every one is part timing it or too busy.

Ill say this, I echo your thoughts on the tune; its definitely a faster car from a dig and roll. Im getting wheelspin and that just shouldnt happen (more than I did when stock of course).
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 08:22 AM
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so renntech tuned W213 e63s runs 10.88 @ 126 and the new M5 stock ran 10.9 @129 in C/D recent test..... not looking good for amg.... needs a tune to compete with stock M5

ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection

DISPLACEMENT: 268 cu in, 4395 cc
POWER: 600 hp @ 6600 rpm
TORQUE: 553 lb-ft @ 1800 rpm


TRANSMISSION: 8-speed automatic with manual shifting mode

DIMENSIONS:
WHEELBASE: 117.4 in
LENGTH: 195.5 in
WIDTH: 74.9 in HEIGHT: 58.0 in
PASSENGER VOLUME: 102 cu ft
TRUNK VOLUME: 19 cu ft
CURB WEIGHT: 4288 lb


C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 11.1 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 15.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 10.9 sec @ 129 mph
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 11:29 AM
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Those are some crazy numbers!!!! Cant wait for the drag strip runs at the same time.

Here are the C&D numbers for E63S- closest thing to apples and apples- mostly off by two tenths in most measurements. That curb weight hurts (4288 vs 4587).

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 11.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 16.6 sec
Zero to 170 mph: 23.3 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.1 sec @ 126 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 186 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 155 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 1.01 g

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I guess I'm missing the reason why I bought a 2018 E63s wagon in these comparisons.... It's a better car even if it's a .01sec or what ever slower.
I'm driving an AMG not a soon to crap out BMW.
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Old Feb 14, 2018 | 12:23 PM
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I guess I'm missing the reason why I bought a 2018 E63s wagon in these comparisons.... It's a better car even if it's a .01sec or what ever slower.
I'm driving an AMG not a soon to crap out BMW.
Plus no one can get an M5 wagon...
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so renntech tuned W213 e63s runs 10.88 @ 126 and the new M5 stock ran 10.9 @129 in C/D recent test..... not looking good for amg.... needs a tune to compete with stock M5

ENGINE TYPE: twin-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection

DISPLACEMENT: 268 cu in, 4395 cc
POWER: 600 hp @ 6600 rpm
TORQUE: 553 lb-ft @ 1800 rpm


TRANSMISSION: 8-speed automatic with manual shifting mode

DIMENSIONS:
WHEELBASE: 117.4 in
LENGTH: 195.5 in
WIDTH: 74.9 in HEIGHT: 58.0 in
PASSENGER VOLUME: 102 cu ft
TRUNK VOLUME: 19 cu ft
CURB WEIGHT: 4288 lb


C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 2.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 11.1 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 15.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 10.9 sec @ 129 mph
and you gotta wonder if Bmw will introduce a more potent comp package
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Will be more interested in seeing some comparison reviews. How does it drive and how well does it put down the power when it's not going in a straight line, etc..

But at this point I'm not in the market and happy with my new purchase and I'm at least a few years away from an upgrade.

By then Mercedes will probably have a hybrid out which will kick A on current hardware.
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