W213 AMG Discuss the W213 AMG - 2017 to present

RENNtech Bad Ass Tune Video- 10.88 quarter mile/0-60 in 2.79

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 09:41 PM
  #1  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
RENNtech Bad *** Tune Video- 10.88 quarter mile/0-60 in 2.79

A simple tune pulls this?? WOW and this is just a basic street test not some prepped track..... who knows what this car would do in optimal conditions:

Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 09:59 PM
  #2  
Blue63s's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 89
Likes: 24
From: Calgary
18-E63s, 16-GT3RS- 18-X5M
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:06 PM
  #3  
Quickburn7's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 420
Likes: 89
From: Los Angeles
2018 E63, 2008 SLR DH, 2011 599 SA, 1995 F50, 2007 through 2011 GT3 RS
Originally Posted by Vic55
A simple tune pulls this?? WOW and this is just a basic street test not some prepped track..... who knows what this car would do in optimal conditions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRbFNqeQLC8
So they are claiming that the stock engine makes 685 hp and that they are bring in up to 773HP?? That is insane under rated numbers by MB and crazy number a from just a tune by Renntech. Would love to see what Ronin gets from the OE tune.


Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:08 PM
  #4  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
Originally Posted by Quickburn7
So they are claiming that the stock engine makes 685 hp and that they are bring in up to 773HP?? That is insane under rated numbers by MB and crazy number a from just a tune by Renntech. Would love to see what Ronin gets from the OE tune.
RENNtech quotes crank adjustment numbers I think.... so take the 773hp and adjust down to whp based on drivetrain loss.

Edit: and remember that since their numbers start higher, the key will be gains over what they started with. Further, for me, the best gains will be in the usable rpm ranges of driving vs just the peak peak rpms that none of us sit at on a constant basis.

Last edited by Vic55; Dec 5, 2017 at 10:52 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:10 PM
  #5  
luoskywalker's Avatar
Member
15 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 87
Likes: 10
From: Florida
2021 AMG GT BS, 2018 E63S, 2008 E63, 2013 Gl550, 1986 2.3-16, 1987 Starion Turbo, 1986 Toyota Supra.
Weistec has theirs up already as well, and claiming the fastes E63S, 10.849 1/4 of a mile, their ECU upgrade is only $2,950


who is going to give us the best deal on their ECU tune?
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:17 PM
  #6  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
Originally Posted by luoskywalker
Weistec has theirs up already as well, and claiming the fastes E63S, 10.849 1/4 of a mile, their ECU upgrade is only $2,950

https://youtu.be/d4hVq81hzdQ

who is going to give us the best deal on their ECU tune?
Good ET but the trap was down, probably due to the DA where it was run but Im only speculating.
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:19 PM
  #7  
ronin amg's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,646
Likes: 685
2024 EQE AMG SUV . 2021 GLE AMG 63s Coupe
We'll see tomorrow and I'll try not to be sad when the real numbers show their stinking head..
The shop I'm going to is claiming a 20% drivetrain loss for rear and AWD cars, that seems a little high to me. I wish I did a before pull for a base line.
I think it's funny that there are no real dyno sheets from any of these tuners..

I'll get it on video as I always do with my tuning, much like this low boost tune on my Rs211..

Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:22 PM
  #8  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
Originally Posted by ronin amg
We'll see tomorrow and I'll try not to be sad when the real numbers show their stinking head..
The shop I'm going to is claiming a 20% drivetrain loss for rear and AWD cars, that seems a little high to me. I wish I did a before pull for a base line.
I think it's funny that there are no real dyno sheets from any of these tuners..

I'll get it on video as I always do with my tuning, much like this low boost tune on my Rs211..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJYn-VJl-io
The shop should be able to put it in dyno mode which will disco the fwd (again assuming) but if not AWD will have more loss. I really dont care as long as the street shows the real numbers. What shop are you using and what dyno?
Reply
MB World Stories

The Best of Mercedes & AMG

story-0

6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

 Verdad Gallardo
story-2

Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:30 PM
  #9  
ronin amg's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,646
Likes: 685
2024 EQE AMG SUV . 2021 GLE AMG 63s Coupe
Originally Posted by Vic55
The shop should be able to put it in dyno mode which will disco the fwd (again assuming) but if not AWD will have more loss. I really dont care as long as the street shows the real numbers. What shop are you using and what dyno?
It should be in the same setup as it is driven. I'll do the math and keep my fingers crossed, ether way the car rocks and I have no regrets with the OE tune as for the way it drives.

I'll be there at 1:00 pm.

http://www.ktmotoring.com/dyno-tuning/
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:39 PM
  #10  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
Originally Posted by ronin amg
It should be in the same setup as it is driven. I'll do the math and keep my fingers crossed, ether way the car rocks and I have no regrets with the OE tune as for the way it drives.

I'll be there at 1:00 pm.

http://www.ktmotoring.com/dyno-tuning/
Sounds good, just so you know OE has tuned 10 of my 11 AMG's and ive dyno'd all of them with amazing numbers. I look forward to the results.
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2017 | 10:41 PM
  #11  
cajun1689's Avatar
Super Member
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 564
Likes: 33
From: Hammond, La
2018 E63S: Former cars 2016 C450, 2013 C350, 2009 C300
I have updated the classcebenz site with this info and I should have a wiestec tune shortly to review I am looking forward to getting the tunes in and seeing what real world numbers we get out of them.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 01:35 AM
  #12  
chiromikey's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 6,649
Likes: 207
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Didn’t Renntech run (claim to run) a 10.6 with their initial tune on the W212? And all the tuners speculated how much potential there would be and got people to jump in the mod game with both feet! Then a year later when real world customers started hitting the track stage 2 cars could barely run better than low 11s and full turbos cars barely broke mid 10s. I think Renntech even tried to explain it away by saying they no longer offered their magical early tune. I hope we’re not getting lied to again!
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 04:20 AM
  #13  
Aamir_'s Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2017
Posts: 46
Likes: 24
2018 E63S AMG
If this holds up on a customer's car, I'm in. Not sure what this does to the warranty. I assume it voids it. Might be something I do in a couple of years, then.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 08:57 AM
  #14  
24Hours's Avatar
Super Member
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 551
Likes: 160
From: NYC area
2019 E63S wagon; 2016 Landrover Landmark
Originally Posted by luoskywalker
Weistec has theirs up already as well, and claiming the fastes E63S, 10.849 1/4 of a mile, their ECU upgrade is only $2,950

https://youtu.be/d4hVq81hzdQ

who is going to give us the best deal on their ECU tune?
These tunes look insane... that Weistec car had considerable front-end lift. Gotta assume you kiss your warranty bye-bye with one of these.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 09:07 AM
  #15  
Ralcbah's Avatar
Super Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 728
Likes: 112
2018 E63S
Once my car is broken in (or at least have access to race start), I'll run the quarter mile stock. Will then tune, likely Weistec, and then run again. Going to stop at stage 1 on this car, as these perf numbers are more than enough for a 'daily'.

fun times
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 10:07 AM
  #16  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
Originally Posted by chiromikey
Didn’t Renntech run (claim to run) a 10.6 with their initial tune on the W212? And all the tuners speculated how much potential there would be and got people to jump in the mod game with both feet! Then a year later when real world customers started hitting the track stage 2 cars could barely run better than low 11s and full turbos cars barely broke mid 10s. I think Renntech even tried to explain it away by saying they no longer offered their magical early tune. I hope we’re not getting lied to again!
Good points, at least in this case we know that the oem car is generally putting up better numbers from the factory than the W212 did thru so many videos, tests, magazine reports, etc so maybe the results are straight up. Granted here, we dont know the slope of the road or the conditions- we will just have to wait and see. Im slated to dyno my car pre and post tune next week. Ill post up after.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 10:24 AM
  #17  
efiftyfizzle's Avatar
Super Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 959
Likes: 36
From: Maryland
W212 E63 AMG S Model
Renntech has a trap speed with a few MPH more than Weistec's video... I'm wondering if that's the difference between them using 93 octane and Weistec using 91.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 10:55 AM
  #18  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
Originally Posted by efiftyfizzle
Renntech has a trap speed with a few MPH more than Weistec's video... I'm wondering if that's the difference between them using 93 octane and Weistec using 91.
Or conditions, Weistec was on a track with DA unknown... RENN's was on a street and we have no clue about the conditions. But yes 91 vs 93 is a difference.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 11:12 AM
  #19  
E634Me's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
Veteran: Army
5 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,726
Likes: 605
From: Southern California
2018 E63S AMG
Is 93 available in Cali?

In most places I only recall seeing 91. Haven't really looked closely at pumps lately as my cars use regular and I use race fuel in my bikes.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 11:14 AM
  #20  
Vic55's Avatar
Thread Starter
Administrator
MBWorld Ambassador

20 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 12,263
Likes: 901
From: THE Orange County, California
2024 C8 Z06- 2025 BMW CS- 2022 Porsche 992 GTS
Originally Posted by E634Me
Is 93 available in Cali?

In most places I only recall seeing 91. Haven't really looked closely at pumps lately as my cars use regular and I use race fuel in my bikes.

Nope max octane is 91, the one thing that bugs me here... you can get race gas in certain locations though but its cost prohibitive for a daily driver sedan IMHO.

Ive seen gains of 20-30 whp on turbo engines with 93 octane vs 91 (in the RS world for example) and this is whp.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 11:48 AM
  #21  
chiromikey's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 6,649
Likes: 207
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Vic55
Good points, at least in this case we know that the oem car is generally putting up better numbers from the factory than the W212 did thru so many videos, tests, magazine reports, etc so maybe the results are straight up. Granted here, we dont know the slope of the road or the conditions- we will just have to wait and see. Im slated to dyno my car pre and post tune next week. Ill post up after.
Youre right, the starting point is much better on the W213 so I honestly don’t see why high 10s would be out of reach for a tune...but there is a past we have to consider.

The more time I spend at the track and more data I accumulate, the more I realize that the biggest proble with the W212 is not the launch. It’s the power that gets pulled during shifts. It defeats the purpose for AMG to brag about their MCT millisecond shift times if they have to pull power during the shift to avoid problems. BMW (and Audi) got it right by recognizing the ZF8 tq converter auto was the right transmission for the job.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 02:01 PM
  #22  
RENNtechHQ's Avatar
Former Vendor of MBWorld
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 424
Likes: 30
From: Stuart, FL
Mercedes-AMG
Originally Posted by Vic55
RENNtech quotes crank adjustment numbers I think.... so take the 773hp and adjust down to whp based on drivetrain loss.
Edit: and remember that since their numbers start higher, the key will be gains over what they started with. Further, for me, the best gains will be in the usable rpm ranges of driving vs just the peak peak rpms that none of us sit at on a constant basis.
Originally Posted by Quickburn7
So they are claiming that the stock engine makes 685 hp and that they are bring in up to 773HP?? That is insane under rated numbers by MB and crazy number a from just a tune by Renntech. Would love to see what Ronin gets from the OE tune.
We were also surprised how strong the car came from the factory. We measured 595whp and 598wtq stock and can also confirm that dyno mode puts the car in rwd. We used our 2-wheel dyno, not the 4-wheel dyno. That's why we went with 14% as a drivetrain loss, same as the previous RWD E63 generation.
As mentioned before, those are just calculated numbers for reference to power numbers published by MBUSA. Important are the wheel power and the gains achieved at the wheel.

Our wheel results are 665whp and 670wtq, which are gains of +70whp and +72wtq.
We'll try and go to the track (PBIR) this week. Currently the car is on the lift to finalize the downpipe development.

For everyone that wants to read more about the whole crank vs. wheel hp and peak gains vs. gains at the peak, we created a section on our website.
http://www.renntechmercedes.com/inde...crank-wheel-hp
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 04:27 PM
  #23  
kponti's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,394
Likes: 239
E63
Originally Posted by chiromikey
Didn’t Renntech run (claim to run) a 10.6 with their initial tune on the W212? And all the tuners speculated how much potential there would be and got people to jump in the mod game with both feet! Then a year later when real world customers started hitting the track stage 2 cars could barely run better than low 11s and full turbos cars barely broke mid 10s. I think Renntech even tried to explain it away by saying they no longer offered their magical early tune. I hope we’re not getting lied to again!
hahaha I was just thinking right before I read your post. They specifically told me that they no longer offered the tune that put the car in 10s. Then turned off my CEL for and additional $900 for off road downpipes (no change to the tune whatsoever I later came to find out)
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 06:55 PM
  #24  
ronin amg's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,646
Likes: 685
2024 EQE AMG SUV . 2021 GLE AMG 63s Coupe
Well I tried to get some dyno numbers but the car didn't like the dyno dynamics dyno and threw a fault code. No matter what configuration the car was in.

So who's up next ?
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2017 | 07:03 PM
  #25  
bobblehead's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,594
Likes: 811
From: Toronto, Ont, Canda
go fast grocery getter wagon
Originally Posted by ronin amg
Well I tried to get some dyno numbers but the car didn't like the dyno dynamics dyno and threw a fault code. No matter what configuration the car was in.

So who's up next ?
It must be off the chart 😲
Reply


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:16 PM.

story-0
6 Mercedes Models That Did NOT Age Well (But Are Somehow Still Cool)

Slideshow: Not every Mercedes design becomes timeless, some feel stuck in the era they came from.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:09:07


VIEW MORE
story-1
Manual Mercedes? 6 Times Sindelfingen Let Drivers Have All The Fun

Slideshow: Yes, Mercedes built manual cars, and some of them are far more interesting than you'd expect.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-02 12:36:58


VIEW MORE
story-2
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren

Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 11:19:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Classic Boxy Mercedes Designs That Have Aged Like Fine Wine

Slideshow: Before curves took over, Mercedes mastered the art of the straight line, and some of those shapes still look right today.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-25 12:05:49


VIEW MORE
story-4
Flawlessly Restored Mercedes 190E Evo II Heads to Auction

Slideshow: The 190E Evolution II shows how a homologation necessity became a six-figure collector icon.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-22 17:53:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
Electric Mercedes C-Class Unveiled: 11 Things You Need to Know

Slideshow: Mercedes is turning one of its core nameplates electric, and the details show just how serious this shift is.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:58:06


VIEW MORE
story-6
Mercedes EQS Gets A Major Update: Everything You Need to Know

Slideshow: Faster charging, longer range, and a controversial steer-by-wire system define the latest evolution of Mercedes-Benz EQS.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-15 10:35:34


VIEW MORE
story-7
5 Underrated Mercedes-Benz Models That Don't Get the Love They Deserve

Slideshow: These overlooked Mercedes-Benz models never got the spotlight, but they quietly delivered more than most remember.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-13 19:35:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
Mercedes 300D Has Pushed Well Past 1 Million Miles and It Ain't Stopping

Slideshow: A well-used 1991 Mercedes-Benz 300D with more than one million miles is now looking for a new owner, and it still appears ready for more.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-10 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Most Reliable Mercedes-Benz Models You Can Buy Used

Slideshow: From bulletproof sedans to surprisingly tough SUVs, these Mercedes models proved that the three-pointed star can go the distance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-08 09:55:49


VIEW MORE