RENNtech Bad Ass Tune Video- 10.88 quarter mile/0-60 in 2.79
02-14-2018, 02:52 PM
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What is the world coming to when M beats AMG in a straight line and the AMG guy says “but what about corners”!!!???
02-14-2018, 02:55 PM
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02-14-2018, 03:01 PM
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If I cared about 0-60 I would have kept my old Ford RS200e, this pulled 0-60 in 1.8 sec.
02-14-2018, 03:37 PM
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When you use marketing tools for fools ya get fools to buy your products.
02-14-2018, 04:49 PM
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People do care, if not the Audi S6 would be the best car of the 3 (won comparisons between it, the M5 and the W212 E63).
But what this comparison is not telling you is the 3MPH difference between the two cars and how that will feel on the road. A stock vs tuned W213 is probably about 3-4mph difference, this M5 is pulling tuned E63s numbers, so very very commendable. Yes it takes a tuned E63s which is definitely no slouch to match a stock M5 is something to be wowed about (this is not a 0.2 sec comparison).
That being said, since the M5 is on steel springs and non electronic sway bars like the old E60s used to be. I am not ready for another car that feels like it needs to settle into a turn before feeling confident so unless a drive can change my mind, I may pass on it and continue lusting after the E till the initial quality concerns are addressed
But what this comparison is not telling you is the 3MPH difference between the two cars and how that will feel on the road. A stock vs tuned W213 is probably about 3-4mph difference, this M5 is pulling tuned E63s numbers, so very very commendable. Yes it takes a tuned E63s which is definitely no slouch to match a stock M5 is something to be wowed about (this is not a 0.2 sec comparison).
That being said, since the M5 is on steel springs and non electronic sway bars like the old E60s used to be. I am not ready for another car that feels like it needs to settle into a turn before feeling confident so unless a drive can change my mind, I may pass on it and continue lusting after the E till the initial quality concerns are addressed
02-14-2018, 05:09 PM
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People do care, if not the Audi S6 would be the best car of the 3 (won comparisons between it, the M5 and the W212 E63).
But what this comparison is not telling you is the 3MPH difference between the two cars and how that will feel on the road. A stock vs tuned W213 is probably about 3-4mph difference, this M5 is pulling tuned E63s numbers, so very very commendable. Yes it takes a tuned E63s which is definitely no slouch to match a stock M5 is something to be wowed about (this is not a 0.2 sec comparison).
That being said, since the M5 is on steel springs and non electronic sway bars like the old E60s used to be. I am not ready for another car that feels like it needs to settle into a turn before feeling confident so unless a drive can change my mind, I may pass on it and continue lusting after the E till the initial quality concerns are addressed
But what this comparison is not telling you is the 3MPH difference between the two cars and how that will feel on the road. A stock vs tuned W213 is probably about 3-4mph difference, this M5 is pulling tuned E63s numbers, so very very commendable. Yes it takes a tuned E63s which is definitely no slouch to match a stock M5 is something to be wowed about (this is not a 0.2 sec comparison).
That being said, since the M5 is on steel springs and non electronic sway bars like the old E60s used to be. I am not ready for another car that feels like it needs to settle into a turn before feeling confident so unless a drive can change my mind, I may pass on it and continue lusting after the E till the initial quality concerns are addressed
I would consider it but no longroof is a no go....
02-14-2018, 05:10 PM
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The side by sides will tell the true story--- both great cars. The C&D test was done at a point in time and so was the Renntech run at the track. Who knows what the conditions were but I do know that C&D adjusts their times for conditions and this why their numbers are almost always better than other mag tests. Im sure CarWow will have a head to head soon but outside of that (and Im biased) I find my ED1 to be a better looking car than the F90 M5.
Read below- they use different tools to vs a drag strip
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-c-d-test-cars
Read below- they use different tools to vs a drag strip
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-c-d-test-cars
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02-14-2018, 05:27 PM
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The side by sides will tell the true story--- both great cars. The C&D test was done at a point in time and so was the Renntech run at the track. Who knows what the conditions were but I do know that C&D adjusts their times for conditions and this why their numbers are almost always better than other mag tests. Im sure CarWow will have a head to head soon but outside of that (and Im biased) I find my ED1 to be a better looking car than the F90 M5.
Read below- they use different tools to vs a drag strip
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-c-d-test-cars
Read below- they use different tools to vs a drag strip
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-c-d-test-cars
If a car can stay in it's lane a speed without crossing the line it's the better handling car.
Now that's how people should be testing "Road Cars". These would be lap times that really matter to drivers, not open track lap times with apexes to clip.
02-14-2018, 05:52 PM
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Incredible numbers.
I prefer the E63s but the new M5 is a very respectable car and will only cost a fraction of the AMG to lease. Not a car to buy...
But I am impressed how C&D always manages to squeeze numbers out of their cars that aren't matched by any other mag. AFAIK, there are quite a few early tests of the M5 but nobody managed 3 seconds, let alone a sub 3 sec. (unless C&D was handed a hot unit)
I prefer the E63s but the new M5 is a very respectable car and will only cost a fraction of the AMG to lease. Not a car to buy...
But I am impressed how C&D always manages to squeeze numbers out of their cars that aren't matched by any other mag. AFAIK, there are quite a few early tests of the M5 but nobody managed 3 seconds, let alone a sub 3 sec. (unless C&D was handed a hot unit)
02-14-2018, 05:54 PM
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Most of my experience is with bikes. The straight line numbers are interesting, but the handling and ride-ability take some who knows what their doing to rate and are a lot more subjective.
Some bikes look like they should be really good on paper but in the twisties turn out to be not so hot.
I don't doubt that the BMW will be a quite a car. If it isn't, someone's head should roll at BMW as they had quite a bit of time to play catch-up. Putting a bunch of HP in a car is one thing, but is this their first AWD car? Getting that done right and making the car hook up and handle right on the first try will be quite an accomplishment.
Some bikes look like they should be really good on paper but in the twisties turn out to be not so hot.
I don't doubt that the BMW will be a quite a car. If it isn't, someone's head should roll at BMW as they had quite a bit of time to play catch-up. Putting a bunch of HP in a car is one thing, but is this their first AWD car? Getting that done right and making the car hook up and handle right on the first try will be quite an accomplishment.
02-14-2018, 06:01 PM
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If anyone wants to see a real world test between the cars, take them to a track on the same tires but chalk out a 12' wide lane to stay in at speed.
If a car can stay in it's lane a speed without crossing the line it's the better handling car.
Now that's how people should be testing "Road Cars". These would be lap times that really matter to drivers, not open track lap times with apexes to clip.
If a car can stay in it's lane a speed without crossing the line it's the better handling car.
Now that's how people should be testing "Road Cars". These would be lap times that really matter to drivers, not open track lap times with apexes to clip.
02-14-2018, 06:06 PM
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The decision to buy the car was based on a fair bit reviewing what I could find on comparisons of cars in the class. if I thought Audi or BMW came out better at the end of the day I would have bought one of them.
And, I didn't even start out planning to buy a new car, but there was a lot to like about the new E series, and then once the reports on the new E63 started coming in I caved and bought a new one.
02-14-2018, 06:37 PM
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If those are honest numbers for the new M5, that's very impressive. To be 2 tenths faster means it is putting down the equivalent of 70+ rear wheel HP and torque more than the E63S. I say equivalent because some of that is due to a better power to weight ratio (M5 is 300lbs lighter). Either way, yes, you would feel the difference driving them back to back. 2 tenths is a lot when the metric being compared is only 2.8 to 3 seconds. The braking distances are also very impressive on the M5.
02-14-2018, 06:39 PM
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Most of my experience is with bikes. The straight line numbers are interesting, but the handling and ride-ability take some who knows what their doing to rate and are a lot more subjective.
Some bikes look like they should be really good on paper but in the twisties turn out to be not so hot.
I don't doubt that the BMW will be a quite a car. If it isn't, someone's head should roll at BMW as they had quite a bit of time to play catch-up. Putting a bunch of HP in a car is one thing, but is this their first AWD car? Getting that done right and making the car hook up and handle right on the first try will be quite an accomplishment.
Some bikes look like they should be really good on paper but in the twisties turn out to be not so hot.
I don't doubt that the BMW will be a quite a car. If it isn't, someone's head should roll at BMW as they had quite a bit of time to play catch-up. Putting a bunch of HP in a car is one thing, but is this their first AWD car? Getting that done right and making the car hook up and handle right on the first try will be quite an accomplishment.
02-14-2018, 06:42 PM
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So say the M5 outruns the E63s on every track out there, but it does it with me flying out of the seat at every turn, leaning heavily into turns (relative to the E), you bet your behind I will be getting the E over the M5 (despite that sweet sweet lease pricing lol).
This is the reason I have obsessed about the Panamera in the past. Felt like no other sedan I had driven before, easily could overlook its HP and weight deficiencies
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02-14-2018, 07:07 PM
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If you read the C&D review, this M5 is unlike the previous one. Sounds to me that BMW is finally getting back to what made BMW the prefered drivers car of decades past, which is a good thing for all of us.
02-14-2018, 07:17 PM
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So you bought a car to drive on straight highways ? Do you own a E63 AMGs ?
I guess thats the difference between drivers and passengers, I'd rather be the driver in the canyons than a passenger behind the wheel on the highway..
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02-14-2018, 07:24 PM
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Agreed, raising the bar only benefits us all in the long run. I'm looking forward to when Quickburn gets his and gives us his thoughts!
02-14-2018, 07:48 PM
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Lol...why are you trying to makie it personal? I’m in my 3rd AMG if you must know, all of which were bought because of their daily driving/Autobahn brawler attributes over wannabe sports car handling. If I want to hit the canyons I’ll jump on the bike for some real fun long before taking a 4500lb sedan.
02-14-2018, 07:57 PM
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Lol...why are you trying to makie it personal? I’m in my 3rd AMG if you must know, all of which were bought because of their daily driving/Autobahn brawler attributes over wannabe sports car handling. If I want to hit the canyons I’ll jump on the bike for some real fun long before taking a 4500lb sedan.
I'm an ex-rider after losing good friends due to rider error, deer and distracted drivers..
Ride safe
02-14-2018, 08:20 PM
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I grew up drag racing so I love brute power. I also prefer comfort over handling in a sedan. I know I should be in the S class but every time I take one out for a test drive I know those cars are just too damn big for my taste.
02-14-2018, 08:25 PM
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Find a dealer and tell him you want to test drive the car on the roads you normally ride your bike on..You will be surprised .
02-14-2018, 08:47 PM
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I went from a 991 Turbo S to my E63s AMG wagon and haven't missed the Turbo S for a second while driving in the canyons.. It really is that good when lowered and tuned.
Find a dealer and tell him you want to test drive the car on the roads you normally ride your bike on..You will be surprised .
Find a dealer and tell him you want to test drive the car on the roads you normally ride your bike on..You will be surprised .
