New E63 gets worse MPG than outgoing model that has a bigger engine!!
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New E63 gets worse MPG than outgoing model that has a bigger engine!!
Not that I have ever cared about mpg but automakers are always trying to shove it down our throat and constantly tell us that’s why they have to down size engines.(and emissions) the old e63 with that glorious m157 5.5L v8, that sounded amazing and was extremly powerful with a large displacement v8 got rated for 16 MPG city and 24 highway. The new one with a 1.5l smaller engine and more boost and Cylinder deactivation and a microphone under the hood that plays the cars sound inside( look it up, the engine is that lousey it doesn’t even sound like an amg) only gets 15 MPG city and 22 highway.😅. I guess that’s the best or nothing for you in 2017!
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way different data coming from this ...
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=18734
W212
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban14.4 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.9 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined10.3 l/100 km.
vs
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=29924
W213
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban11.4-11.7 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.3-7.6 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined8.8-9.1 l/100 km.
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=18734
W212
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban14.4 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.9 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined10.3 l/100 km.
vs
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=29924
W213
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban11.4-11.7 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.3-7.6 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined8.8-9.1 l/100 km.
Last edited by bobblehead; 12-17-2017 at 08:27 AM.
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I've put about 700 miles on mine...average between 8 and 12 mpg. On my FBO, tuned, 2014, I averaged between 10 and 12mpg. I'm still playing with this new car, so I'm sure it'll end up closer to 10/12 mpg when I settle it down a bit.
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I too was a little surprised the fuel economy was not better with the cylinder deactivation and the glide mode and 9 speed trans. But in really thinking about it, this car stuck is pushing much more power than the old 157's stock. To do this it must have larger valves, bigger ports, etc. I'm pretty sure. Anyhow, when the car is driven the way a lot of people drive a car like this it all become irrelevant because any car is gonna get crappy gas mileage going fast unless it's a Tesla or something.
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But same is true for Tesla except the tank is measured in kWh instead of gallons.
Push the go peddle more on the Tesla and your tank runs down faster just like a gas powered car.
Push the go peddle more on the Tesla and your tank runs down faster just like a gas powered car.
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Not that I have ever cared about mpg but automakers are always trying to shove it down our throat and constantly tell us that’s why they have to down size engines.(and emissions) the old e63 with that glorious m157 5.5L v8, that sounded amazing and was extremly powerful with a large displacement v8 got rated for 16 MPG city and 24 highway. The new one with a 1.5l smaller engine and more boost and Cylinder deactivation and a microphone under the hood that plays the cars sound inside( look it up, the engine is that lousey it doesn’t even sound like an amg) only gets 15 MPG city and 22 highway.. I guess that’s the best or nothing for you in 2017!.
The M177 engine is smaller but much more powerful than the M157. It more or less starts where a M157 ends in terms of power. I personally doubt it...
Re. the sound; I appreciate some factual info from you. All I have read is some comment in C&D which has no verification
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way different data coming from this ...
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=18734
W212
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban14.4 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.9 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined10.3 l/100 km.
vs
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=29924
W213
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban11.4-11.7 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.3-7.6 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined8.8-9.1 l/100 km.
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=18734
W212
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban14.4 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.9 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined10.3 l/100 km.
vs
https://www.auto-data.net/en/?f=showCar&car_id=29924
W213
Fuel consumption (economy) - urban11.4-11.7 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - extra urban7.3-7.6 l/100 km.
Fuel consumption (economy) - combined8.8-9.1 l/100 km.
Last edited by RA81722; 12-17-2017 at 03:06 PM.
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Sign of the times. It's not automakers but environmental regulations across the globe that require engines to change. Just like pedestrian safety requirements that changed the exterior designs of cars. Which isn't really a bad thing IMO.
The M177 engine is smaller but much more powerful than the M157. It more or less starts where a M157 ends in terms of power. I personally doubt it...
Re. the sound; I appreciate some factual info from you. All I have read is some comment in C&D which has no verification
The M177 engine is smaller but much more powerful than the M157. It more or less starts where a M157 ends in terms of power. I personally doubt it...
Re. the sound; I appreciate some factual info from you. All I have read is some comment in C&D which has no verification
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According to the official US Gov - they are the same in mileage:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39340&id=35870
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39340&id=35870
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ohh I no that, but my whole issue is the official rating is worse than the outgoing one and the engine is way smaller. Like it can’t even get better mpg under perfect conditions
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According to the official US Gov - they are the same in mileage:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...39340&id=35870
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find...39340&id=35870
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Also to add, pulled the fuse for sound and there was zero noticeable difference in cabin sound from the exhaust. So unless my ears are deceiving me, or there is a stand alone amplifier connected to the speakers - these cars DONT play fake exhaust sounds through speakers./
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hmm, they are exactly the same.
The new model is actually cleaner by a bit.
Also we have cylinder de-activation that I do not believe was available in the W212.
That should greatly increase the milage.
The new model is actually cleaner by a bit.
Also we have cylinder de-activation that I do not believe was available in the W212.
That should greatly increase the milage.
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yes but it’s less displacement with more boost. So it’s all on the turbos. Pushing close to 22 psi of boost from the factory. The old m157 was a relatively large displacement v8 that probabaly produced close to 430 hp just by it’s self with no turbos. In my opinion it leads to a more linear power band not to mention its one of the best sounding turbo engines out there. And yes the CD article is my only source but it comes straight from the MB representive. I tend to believe it too,
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Also to add, pulled the fuse for sound and there was zero noticeable difference in cabin sound from the exhaust. So unless my ears are deceiving me, or there is a stand alone amplifier connected to the speakers - these cars DONT play fake exhaust sounds through speakers./
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You are comparing the W212 E63 numbers against the W213 E63S.
Also as stated - the W213 now has cylinder deactivation that reduces the fuel consumption and emissions by 17%.
Microphone aside - if there is no power to the amplifier then how can it play sound through the speakers?
Also as stated - the W213 now has cylinder deactivation that reduces the fuel consumption and emissions by 17%.
Microphone aside - if there is no power to the amplifier then how can it play sound through the speakers?
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You are comparing the W212 E63 numbers against the W213 E63S.
Also as stated - the W213 now has cylinder deactivation that reduces the fuel consumption and emissions by 17%.
Microphone aside - if there is no power to the amplifier then how can it play sound through the speakers?
Also as stated - the W213 now has cylinder deactivation that reduces the fuel consumption and emissions by 17%.
Microphone aside - if there is no power to the amplifier then how can it play sound through the speakers?
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The E63 has not been launched in the USA, so there is no numbers out for it yet.
I just shared to you that I went out this morning and pulled fuses to disable the amplifier in the car and I heard Zero difference in the inside cabin.
I just shared to you that I went out this morning and pulled fuses to disable the amplifier in the car and I heard Zero difference in the inside cabin.
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Here is the Official UK Government tested Rule numbers for the cars.
They show a much larger difference than US, could be due to our stricter emission laws.
2015 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569766
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.5
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.7
Imperial Combined (weighted) -28.8
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.8
Metric Extra Urban - 7.5
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.8
2018 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41137
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
2015 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569765
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.3
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 28.5
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.9
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.9
2018 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41136
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
They show a much larger difference than US, could be due to our stricter emission laws.
2015 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569766
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.5
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.7
Imperial Combined (weighted) -28.8
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.8
Metric Extra Urban - 7.5
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.8
2018 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41137
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
2015 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569765
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.3
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 28.5
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.9
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.9
2018 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41136
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
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Here is the Official UK Government tested Rule numbers for the cars.
They show a much larger difference than US, could be due to our stricter emission laws.
2015 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569766
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.5
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.7
Imperial Combined (weighted) -28.8
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.8
Metric Extra Urban - 7.5
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.8
2018 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41137
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
2015 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569765
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.3
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 28.5
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.9
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.9
2018 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41136
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
They show a much larger difference than US, could be due to our stricter emission laws.
2015 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569766
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.5
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.7
Imperial Combined (weighted) -28.8
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.8
Metric Extra Urban - 7.5
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.8
2018 E63 - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41137
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
2015 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...spx?vid=569765
Imperial Urban (cold) - 20.3
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 28.5
Metric Urban (cold) - 13.9
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.9
2018 E63S - http://carfueldata.direct.gov.uk/sea...aspx?vid=41136
Imperial Urban (cold) - 24.1
Imperial Extra Urban - 37.2
Imperial Combined (weighted) - 31.0
Metric Urban (cold) - 11.7
Metric Extra Urban - 7.6
Metric Combined (weighted) - 9.1
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Interesting that they list the car as getting 31MPG Average
How is there such a large discrepancy vs the 22MPG they list in the US?
This is their breakdown of the tests.
Urban cycle - the urban test cycle is carried out in a laboratory at an ambient temperature of 20°C to 30°C on a rolling road from a cold start where the engine has not run for several hours. The cycle consists of a series of accelerations, steady speeds, decelerations and idling. Maximum speed is 31 mph (50 km/h), average speed 12 mph (19 km/h) and the distance covered is 2.5 miles (4 km).
Extra-urban cycle - this cycle is conducted immediately following the urban cycle and consists of roughly half steady speed driving and the remainder accelerations, decelerations, and some idling. Maximum speed is 75 mph (120 km/h), average speed is 39 mph (63 km/h) and the distance covered is 4.3 miles (7 km).
Combined fuel consumption figure - the combined figure presented is for the urban and the extra-urban cycle together. It is therefore an average of the two parts of the test, weighted by the distances covered in each part.
How is there such a large discrepancy vs the 22MPG they list in the US?
This is their breakdown of the tests.
Urban cycle - the urban test cycle is carried out in a laboratory at an ambient temperature of 20°C to 30°C on a rolling road from a cold start where the engine has not run for several hours. The cycle consists of a series of accelerations, steady speeds, decelerations and idling. Maximum speed is 31 mph (50 km/h), average speed 12 mph (19 km/h) and the distance covered is 2.5 miles (4 km).
Extra-urban cycle - this cycle is conducted immediately following the urban cycle and consists of roughly half steady speed driving and the remainder accelerations, decelerations, and some idling. Maximum speed is 75 mph (120 km/h), average speed is 39 mph (63 km/h) and the distance covered is 4.3 miles (7 km).
Combined fuel consumption figure - the combined figure presented is for the urban and the extra-urban cycle together. It is therefore an average of the two parts of the test, weighted by the distances covered in each part.
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Interesting that they list the car as getting 31MPG Average
How is there such a large discrepancy vs the 22MPG they list in the US?
This is their breakdown of the tests.
Urban cycle - the urban test cycle is carried out in a laboratory at an ambient temperature of 20°C to 30°C on a rolling road from a cold start where the engine has not run for several hours. The cycle consists of a series of accelerations, steady speeds, decelerations and idling. Maximum speed is 31 mph (50 km/h), average speed 12 mph (19 km/h) and the distance covered is 2.5 miles (4 km).
Extra-urban cycle - this cycle is conducted immediately following the urban cycle and consists of roughly half steady speed driving and the remainder accelerations, decelerations, and some idling. Maximum speed is 75 mph (120 km/h), average speed is 39 mph (63 km/h) and the distance covered is 4.3 miles (7 km).
Combined fuel consumption figure - the combined figure presented is for the urban and the extra-urban cycle together. It is therefore an average of the two parts of the test, weighted by the distances covered in each part.
How is there such a large discrepancy vs the 22MPG they list in the US?
This is their breakdown of the tests.
Urban cycle - the urban test cycle is carried out in a laboratory at an ambient temperature of 20°C to 30°C on a rolling road from a cold start where the engine has not run for several hours. The cycle consists of a series of accelerations, steady speeds, decelerations and idling. Maximum speed is 31 mph (50 km/h), average speed 12 mph (19 km/h) and the distance covered is 2.5 miles (4 km).
Extra-urban cycle - this cycle is conducted immediately following the urban cycle and consists of roughly half steady speed driving and the remainder accelerations, decelerations, and some idling. Maximum speed is 75 mph (120 km/h), average speed is 39 mph (63 km/h) and the distance covered is 4.3 miles (7 km).
Combined fuel consumption figure - the combined figure presented is for the urban and the extra-urban cycle together. It is therefore an average of the two parts of the test, weighted by the distances covered in each part.