MY19 Launch Schedule
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sorry ya'll.. I wish we had more answers from the dealer level. I can say we get into heated conversations with MBUSA... it greatly affects my pay
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In recent weeks, I recall you were hopeful for November...has your gut feeling changed?
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Someone in the GLC43/63 forum said their SA told him that his GLC63 (which is sitting at the Long Beach VPC) won’t be released to the dealer until mid-November. The GLC63s have recently (in September) received their CARB certifications according to the thread. If that’s true about mid-November, that would be about a month later than the chart on the first page of this thread estimates.
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Someone in the GLC43/63 forum said their SA told him that his GLC63 (which is sitting at the Long Beach VPC) won’t be released to the dealer until mid-November. The GLC63s have just recently received their CARB certifications according to the thread. If that’s true about mid-November, that would be about a month later than the chart on the first page of this thread estimates.
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None of these holds are due to emissions or testing. The E63 was certified in May or June last year and didn't go on sale until October. It's just marketing. As soon as the 2019 C class was released for sale the commercials started. It's all part of a plan and release schedule.
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I think it’s beyond a doubt that the E63 holdup isn’t an emissions certification issue either in the US or globally (since apparently they are being released to dealers in the UK this month according to member Slugsy). This is clearly some sort of marketing strategy or other financially-based decision that MBUSA is making.
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None of these holds are due to emissions or testing. The E63 was certified in May or June last year and didn't go on sale until October. It's just marketing. As soon as the 2019 C class was released for sale the commercials started. It's all part of a plan and release schedule.
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Yes. The thread in that forum was started on 9/4 and then someone commented that it was certified on 9/5. My point — which I guess wasn’t as clear is it could have been — was that the GLC63 wasn’t being held up for CARB reasons. And my larger point was that it was being delayed for release to dealerships until mid-November (if the SA being quoted was correct) which was longer than the MY19 Launch schedule we have here from August.
I think it’s beyond a doubt that the E63 holdup isn’t an emissions certification issue either in the US or globally (since apparently they are being released to dealers in the UK this month according to member Slugsy). This is clearly some sort of marketing strategy or other financially-based decision that MBUSA is making.
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None of these holds are due to emissions or testing. The E63 was certified in May or June last year and didn't go on sale until October. It's just marketing. As soon as the 2019 C class was released for sale the commercials started. It's all part of a plan and release schedule.
For example, here is the GLC63 for MY2018. Issued on August 24, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Here is the GLC63 for MY2019, issued on August 31, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Why would they issue an EOs for a new model year for the GLC63 if they could rely on the 2018 EO? It is pretty clear that they need to submit a certification request for each MY. And there is no Executive Order for the 2019 E63S. Only a 2018 EO.
And these are US-specific emission regulations, which explains why a UK car would be released.
So seems like MBUSA cannot release the cars even if they want to because there is no 2019 certification. As I've said, likely a screw-up in the legal department or somewhere else. Or who knows, maybe CARB is backed-up and they said, "we are behind in doing the EOs, so prioritize the models you want us to certify first." And the E63 was put last on the list. This is the most likely explanation.
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The CARB Executive Orders are for each MY.
For example, here is the GLC63 for MY2018. Issued on August 24, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Here is the GLC63 for MY2019, issued on August 31, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Why would they issue an EOs for a new model year for the GLC63 if they could rely on the 2018 EO? It is pretty clear that they need to submit a certification request for each MY. And there is no Executive Order for the 2019 E63S. Only a 2018 EO.
And these are US-specific emission regulations, which explains why a UK car would be released.
So seems like MBUSA cannot release the cars even if they want to because there is no 2019 certification. As I've said, likely a screw-up in the legal department or somewhere else. Or who knows, maybe CARB is backed-up and they said, "we are behind in doing the EOs, so prioritize the models you want us to certify first." And the E63 was put last on the list. This is the most likely explanation.
For example, here is the GLC63 for MY2018. Issued on August 24, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Here is the GLC63 for MY2019, issued on August 31, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Why would they issue an EOs for a new model year for the GLC63 if they could rely on the 2018 EO? It is pretty clear that they need to submit a certification request for each MY. And there is no Executive Order for the 2019 E63S. Only a 2018 EO.
And these are US-specific emission regulations, which explains why a UK car would be released.
So seems like MBUSA cannot release the cars even if they want to because there is no 2019 certification. As I've said, likely a screw-up in the legal department or somewhere else. Or who knows, maybe CARB is backed-up and they said, "we are behind in doing the EOs, so prioritize the models you want us to certify first." And the E63 was put last on the list. This is the most likely explanation.
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The CARB Executive Orders are for each MY.
For example, here is the GLC63 for MY2018. Issued on August 24, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Here is the GLC63 for MY2019, issued on August 31, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Why would they issue an EOs for a new model year for the GLC63 if they could rely on the 2018 EO? It is pretty clear that they need to submit a certification request for each MY. And there is no Executive Order for the 2019 E63S. Only a 2018 EO.
And these are US-specific emission regulations, which explains why a UK car would be released.
So seems like MBUSA cannot release the cars even if they want to because there is no 2019 certification. As I've said, likely a screw-up in the legal department or somewhere else. Or who knows, maybe CARB is backed-up and they said, "we are behind in doing the EOs, so prioritize the models you want us to certify first." And the E63 was put last on the list. This is the most likely explanation.
For example, here is the GLC63 for MY2018. Issued on August 24, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Here is the GLC63 for MY2019, issued on August 31, 2017.
https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad..._4d0_u3-70.pdf
Why would they issue an EOs for a new model year for the GLC63 if they could rely on the 2018 EO? It is pretty clear that they need to submit a certification request for each MY. And there is no Executive Order for the 2019 E63S. Only a 2018 EO.
And these are US-specific emission regulations, which explains why a UK car would be released.
So seems like MBUSA cannot release the cars even if they want to because there is no 2019 certification. As I've said, likely a screw-up in the legal department or somewhere else. Or who knows, maybe CARB is backed-up and they said, "we are behind in doing the EOs, so prioritize the models you want us to certify first." And the E63 was put last on the list. This is the most likely explanation.
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But then why if these cars — the GLC63s— got certified back in September would they still not be released into potentially mid-November? And maybe I read them wrong but it looked like the S63s and S65s and I think somewhere the SL63s all got certified but still haven’t been released. So why the relatively long delay even post-certification?
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I don't know why they are waiting. But it seems that certification is a predicate for release. In other words, they need the EO before they can release the car, so it would make sense that they would apply for as many EOs as they can and as soon as they can so they have the flexibility to decide when to launch. It would not be a good regulatory strategy to wait until the last minute to get a certification. So likely that there is some reason why the certifications have not been issued yet. As you point out, at the same time, we could get the EO tomorrow and they could still wait until December to release the cars.
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Basically without real inside information, it’s all just a guessing game. And I appreciate your views because I clearly don’t have the inside track on why the launch schedule is the way it is (marketing vs practicability of getting emissions certifications in a timely fashion). While we are playing the guessing game do you think the 63s, 53s and 65s are last in part because their certifications take longer to get approved than non-AMG counterparts or do you think it’s more of a matter of certifying the models with the greatest quantity of inventory first and work your way down to the more niche products?
If in fact the E63 needs an EO prior to release and if somehow a backup makes the release slip into January, I’ll be scouring for a Panamera Turbo from a dealer lot. No choice, as current family car lease is due after the New Year. Beyond the frustration, just getting the joy sapped from this process now.
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Ugh. No clue. I mean. The damn Maybach and S65 got certified and those have to be near the lowest production numbers, right?
If in fact the E63 needs an EO prior to release and if somehow a backup makes the release slip into January, I’ll be scouring for a Panamera Turbo from a dealer lot. No choice, as current family car lease is due after the New Year. Beyond the frustration, just getting the joy sapped from this process now.
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You guys are generous, Im only giving them until Dec.1st then they lose a loyal customer for life. Seems like every year this company is getting worse for quality and customer service.
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But from I’ve been told it would have to be something crazily out of the blue that couldn’t have been foreseen to push MY19 E63s sitting at the VPC and/or already produced to be pushed to calendar year 2019.
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