RIP 2018 E63 - Lemon Law Buyback Completed
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I suppose that if the problem is corrected during PDI or at the VPC that it really doesn't make a difference. The real issue is that whatever is fixed should stay that way and not reoccur in short order. This vehicle is limited production so the number of people reporting here is statistically significant. How many 2018 E63S cars do you believe were produced for sale in the US?
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man, this software stuff being placed in every hardware is getting nuts. not the problem with the idea of using software itself. it's just that software is badly developed all over the world. it simply lacks the standardization and formal review processes, that are applied with hardware parts or available in critical systems, like planes, rockets, etc.
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I suppose that if the problem is corrected during PDI or at the VPC that it really doesn't make a difference. The real issue is that whatever is fixed should stay that way and not reoccur in short order. This vehicle is limited production so the number of people reporting here is statistically significant. How many 2018 E63S cars do you believe were produced for sale in the US?
Hope benz solves this quick without having to diminish power output of this new engine
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To add insult to injury, I apparently hit some road debris Sunday on Palomar Mt. Tire went instantly flat and car snapped much more sideways than usual as I was exiting a corner under heavy acceleration. TC kicked in and cut power and recovery was pretty drama free. MB sent a flatbed and the car was towed to the dealer. I needed new tires anyway so off go the Pirellis and on go Michelins.
I'd planned to just advise the dealer about the return of the CEL over phone Monday, but since the car is now there anyway, they'll get a chance to read the codes and then clear them. I asked my service guy to just open a ticket about the returned CEL, but said I'd rather not have them work on the car for the issue till MB advises they have a confirmed solution.
We'll see how it goes.
I'd planned to just advise the dealer about the return of the CEL over phone Monday, but since the car is now there anyway, they'll get a chance to read the codes and then clear them. I asked my service guy to just open a ticket about the returned CEL, but said I'd rather not have them work on the car for the issue till MB advises they have a confirmed solution.
We'll see how it goes.
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Over 5000 thousand people have read this thread already in a short period of time. Makes me wonder if this issue might have an effect of diminished value of the car even though most cars are not affected? Thats kinda what happened with the whole TDI issue until VW really was forced to step up to the plate. I paid 30 grand for a loaded 2015 Golf SEL TDI Wagon and drove the car 2 years and 24K miles and got 33K in the buyback from VW, maybe the same will happen with these cars I can only hope, lol. It was a long wait and a lot of worry though with the TDI in wondering what was going to happen and not being able to sell or trade the car, was kinda stuck with it for around a year while all the court hearings where going on. It was a lot of paperwork and hassle too.
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It's related to the injectors, yes.
We use the same part # injector in EVERY engine, 4/6/8 cyl, AMG, regular cars, whatever. So they don't magically know that they are on cyl #1 and #6 in an E/S63. It's software related in regards to the injector coding values. If you get the right combination they seem to work ok, from what I see on the current case we have open at our dealer, they want us to put very evenly matched injectors in the car (had us order 12 to only replace 2 to get matching IMA codes), so it's something with the fine pulse management but not necessarily a defective injector issue or it would be happening in cars all over the place.
We use the same part # injector in EVERY engine, 4/6/8 cyl, AMG, regular cars, whatever. So they don't magically know that they are on cyl #1 and #6 in an E/S63. It's software related in regards to the injector coding values. If you get the right combination they seem to work ok, from what I see on the current case we have open at our dealer, they want us to put very evenly matched injectors in the car (had us order 12 to only replace 2 to get matching IMA codes), so it's something with the fine pulse management but not necessarily a defective injector issue or it would be happening in cars all over the place.
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Question, has anyone tried running a couple of fuel cleaning treatment cycles of a quality Fuel Injector Cleaner, like BG44K Fuel System Cleaner threw the Fuel System? Or LiquiMoly Jectron Fuel Injection Cleaner. Might be interesting to see if any reduction in CEL events occur, and certainly will not hurt anything. I would think BG44K would be the better choice as it has a large following and has been recommended for decades for cleaning fuel injectors by many mechanics at repair shops, but everyone has their favorite fuel system cleaner.
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I don't think it was dirt in my case the failure occurred around 800 miles. The good news is after the injectors were replaced I have had no issue and now have over 4,000 miles on the car. The car is great and I would think that MB has (injectors) or will (software) find a final solution to the CEL. I think and hope that this is a minor bump in the road.
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Good to hear, but you are at mileage lower than a lot of people reporting CELs. The issue is most likely software and normal wearing of the injectors combined. Until AMG definitely states that there is a fix, I will continue to assume that the problem continues to be unresolved.
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and if it happened on cars at the PDI, those cars have what... 10 miles on them??
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MB has not been able to "fix" it as they don't really know what the fix is. I have seen cars get injector replacements and get better, we update software and it gets better, but to me I can still feel the rough running even if the light is off and watching the fault counter shows the misfires still happening at times. It's definitely not fixed, and no, stop using Eco mode or whatever isn't an appropriate fix, just a stopgap to keep the errors away until the proper fix is released.
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MB has not been able to "fix" it as they don't really know what the fix is. I have seen cars get injector replacements and get better, we update software and it gets better, but to me I can still feel the rough running even if the light is off and watching the fault counter shows the misfires still happening at times. It's definitely not fixed, and no, stop using Eco mode or whatever isn't an appropriate fix, just a stopgap to keep the errors away until the proper fix is released.
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@HBerman - They "fixed" the issue with my car and right before i turned it into the dealer for the lemon law buy back the CEL came back on after slight shudder. All the work, all the component replacements, etc did not fix the issue. The only logical conclusion is that they don't know whats ultimately causing the issue or that it is too severe to repair in a reasonable manner. That's 90% of why i got a 19 M5 Comp, they don't have this figured out and there was no change between MY18 and 19. Anyone hoping that the issue is fixed for the MY19 run is going to be disappointed.
After the lease is up on the M5 I'll probably get another E63 Wagon after the refresh - hopefully with a functioning and reliable power plant.
After the lease is up on the M5 I'll probably get another E63 Wagon after the refresh - hopefully with a functioning and reliable power plant.
