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Old 10-08-2018, 04:34 PM
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Angry RIP 2018 E63 - Lemon Law Buyback Completed

I just finalized the paperwork and handed over my keys to my 2018 E63 Wagon. The car had spent almost 2.5 months in the shop in less than a year of ownership. CA's lemon laws are very cut and dry, once the vehicle qualified for the buyback the process was started. My dealer was marginally helpful in the whole process but they were at the mercy of the MB factory's troubleshooting.
As with other members cars, they replaced my entire ignition & fuel system 4 separate times before they could clear the CEL. I thought this was the end of the issue but the CEL popped up AGAIN today on the way to drop the car off. The whole process lemon/buy back was relatively painless other than the disappointment of having a lemon.

With the CEL, loose sway bars, extended time in the shop, seemingly perpetually delayed 2019s, and the fact that not a single dealer in Southern California has a 2019 E63 wagon available for a deposit, i am sad to say this will probably be my first and only MB AMG car i will own. Best of luck to everyone else who is also going through the process.
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It's a shame they can't find a real resolution to these misfire cars yet. It has to be software related, we swap injectors and stuff they tell us but it's just a guess, it doesn't solve it. I'm hoping they give us a real fix soon.
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TheFranchizeSLB Local dealer has a Marina Blue i looked at over the weekend that checks all the boxes.

ItalianJoe1 I also really doubt that they actually know whats going on given the number of repair attempts made. Also the CEL came on AGAIN, I would guess for misfires - which means that they didn't fix it the first time around. I wouldn't trust that they have completely resolved the issues on the 2019 E63s....

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TheFranchizeSLB Local dealer has a Marina Blue i looked at over the weekend that checks all the boxes.

ItalianJoe1 I also really doubt that they actually know whats going on given the number of repair attempts made. Also the CEL came on AGAIN, I would guess for misfires - which means that they didn't fix it the first time around. I wouldn't trust that they have completed resolved the issues on the 2019 E63s....
which dealer was this?
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TheFranchizeSLB Local dealer has a Marina Blue i looked at over the weekend that checks all the boxes.

ItalianJoe1 I also really doubt that they actually know whats going on given the number of repair attempts made. Also the CEL came on AGAIN, I would guess for misfires - which means that they didn't fix it the first time around. I wouldn't trust that they have completed resolved the issues on the 2019 E63s....
nice! i was dead-set on the e63 next but these issues are just ridiculous and inexcusable for something so expensive! im considering the M5 as well... plus their deals are so much better than MB
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TheFranchizeSLB Local dealer has a Marina Blue i looked at over the weekend that checks all the boxes.

ItalianJoe1 I also really doubt that they actually know whats going on given the number of repair attempts made. Also the CEL came on AGAIN, I would guess for misfires - which means that they didn't fix it the first time around. I wouldn't trust that they have completely resolved the issues on the 2019 E63s....
Aside from the ones i've personally worked on, i've seen the PTSS cases for others, and it's clear that the american engineers are just guessing at this point, and the AMG guys in Germany have no useful input. They will just continue to throw parts at it until something real happens and they figure it out.

I think, in most cases, the monitoring software logic is too picky, the engines run a little lumpy, nature of the high performance setup, and they set misfire codes too easily. In general, even the cars with misfire codes and CEL's on, run perfect.
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When the CEL came on, it was on the car start up not driving. I felt nothing out of the ordinary on the prior drive. With these issues and the delays i think i will stay away until the 2020 refresh, likely look at a 2021 so i dont have to deal with these first year issues again.
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I don't understand why they cant open up the Parameters in the software?, the fix could be as simple as that. I feel like my car is running on a prayer and a miracle, I just hit 12,800 miles on it and it has not skipped a beat. Need to go back to the dealer tomorrow though to get the rear wheels balanced again, I don't think they did a road force balance when I bought the new rear tires at the Benz dealer. It should go without saying that they do a road force balance automatically on a car like this with 20 inch rims and low profile tires. Getting sick of going back and forth to the dealer, although I guess my problems are minuscule compared to the check engine light issue. I wonder what would happen if you just put a black piece of electrical tape over the check engine light and just drove the car with it on all the time? Sounds like that could be the solution.
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nice! i was dead-set on the e63 next but these issues are just ridiculous and inexcusable for something so expensive! im considering the M5 as well... plus their deals are so much better than MB
Ya, same - I was totally sold on the E63S wagon, but especially along with delivery delays (with the MY'19 delays, how long into 2019 is it going to take until we know if those have issues?), I'm really hesitant now. Problem is I want a wagon, so not many options.
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Keep in mind it is a rarity and a lot of people have never had the check engine light activate. Iím gonna start another thread on this when I get some time. Iím just wondering what are the differences between the rare instances where people have had this issue and those that donít and when the build dates of the cars were. One thought Iíve had is could the people who have had this happen be holding down the gas pedal when they start the car? Something weird like that ?
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Curious if the misfire issue is only on the E63 or all platforms with the 4.0 BiTurbo? Its got to be in the software somewhere if it is E63 specific. If it were hardware related, then all platforms with this engine would be experiencing the same issue, right?
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Curious if the misfire issue is only on the E63 or all platforms with the 4.0 BiTurbo? Its got to be in the software somewhere if it is E63 specific. If it were hardware related, then all platforms with this engine would be experiencing the same issue, right?
That's a good question
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Nope, never touched gas pedal when starting.

I did wonder though about things like fuel and how folks who have had the issue drive their cars and what typical commutes are like.

My commute is only 5 miles each way and the car only leaves the blue temp on about the last mile most days in the morning, meaning not much opportunity to put my foot in it. On weekend or out running errands I do get a chance to punch it a bit. Don’t do too many race starts but do roll away briskly ;-)

So wondered if maybe I just need to take a long lunch once or twice a week and run out to Palomar Mt to Mother’s for lunch and back. That would keep it cleaned out - my tire bill will go up a lot then though . . .
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Curious if the misfire issue is only on the E63 or all platforms with the 4.0 BiTurbo? Its got to be in the software somewhere if it is E63 specific. If it were hardware related, then all platforms with this engine would be experiencing the same issue, right?
it is all with the same engine... mainly s63s but also c63s too.. all have been reported
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Nope, never touched gas pedal when starting.

I did wonder though about things like fuel and how folks who have had the issue drive their cars and what typical commutes are like.

My commute is only 5 miles each way and the car only leaves the blue temp on about the last mile most days in the morning, meaning not much opportunity to put my foot in it. On weekend or out running errands I do get a chance to punch it a bit. Donít do too many race starts but do roll away briskly ;-)

So wondered if maybe I just need to take a long lunch once or twice a week and run out to Palomar Mt to Motherís for lunch and back. That would keep it cleaned out - my tire bill will go up a lot then though . . .
do Ferrari and lambo guys and gals have these issues? Check engine lights etc
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Curious if the misfire issue is only on the E63 or all platforms with the 4.0 BiTurbo? Its got to be in the software somewhere if it is E63 specific. If it were hardware related, then all platforms with this engine would be experiencing the same issue, right?
All mine have been S63s. Not happening on the C63 though, sometimes on the GT but they are quite rare by comparison.
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Nope, never touched gas pedal when starting.

I did wonder though about things like fuel and how folks who have had the issue drive their cars and what typical commutes are like.

My commute is only 5 miles each way and the car only leaves the blue temp on about the last mile most days in the morning, meaning not much opportunity to put my foot in it. On weekend or out running errands I do get a chance to punch it a bit. Donít do too many race starts but do roll away briskly ;-)

So wondered if maybe I just need to take a long lunch once or twice a week and run out to Palomar Mt to Motherís for lunch and back. That would keep it cleaned out - my tire bill will go up a lot then though . . .
They definitely need to be driven hard from time to time.
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All mine have been S63s. Not happening on the C63 though, sometimes on the GT but they are quite rare by comparison.

When i did my rear diff service i asked my SA about the 1/6 issue and they have said the majority of the problems for them was from the C63 & GT but the misfires weren't cylinders 1/6 nothing reported of the E & S so far which was weird.
I swear i see a new thread about CELs every week on this forum lol
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I was just at the MB dealer I bought my car from and nobody their knows of this issue. Anyhow I will be servicing my AMG from now on in Florida and not Rhode Island. I just bought new rear tires from them last week and they screwed up on the balancing the mirrors were fuzzy at highway speeds and they just charged me 40 bucks to rebalance the rear wheels. I should be sending them a bill for my wasted 2 hours there this morning. The car is fine now so 40 bucks well spent but they should not have been charging me. My advice too anyone is stay away from Viti Mercedes in Tiverton RI. I called the service writer after I got home told him the car is smooth now and you balanced the tires wrong a week ago. He wouldnít hear it. Ok no problem. Iíll take my business elsewhere. I spent 116k on this car with them a year ago. Never again.
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started some threads asking for replies from people having CEL issues on C63, S63, GLE63 and GT.

trying to get a sense of the dimension of this issue
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started some threads asking for replies from people having CEL issues on C63, S63, GLE63 and GT.

trying to get a sense of the dimension of this issue
I wonder if this is a US-only issue as I haven't seen anything across happening in Europe. If so, could this be related to software changes made for US certifications/emissions/fuel standards?

We have about 7800 miles on our ED1 without issues. Driving on 93 most of the time...
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Thats what I think it has something to do with the software changes that were made to comply with the USA Emissions. Then of course the question comes why does it happen on a very small percentage of cars? I decided not to open another thread on this subject because there is so much talk of this issue already. Did those who had this issue try going to another gas station and another brand? Perhaps Regular gas combined with the USA Software emissions changes are causing this issue? I was in the gas station business for a while years back and did know some people in that business who would put regular octane in the premium tanks to make an extra 30 or 40 cents a gallon, thats a lot. Most states do have some form of testing but not all. So it could be possible what a person thought was Premium was in reality Regular and maybe tripped a misfire code?. Anyhow, if I get this problem thats the first thing I'm going to try is another gas station and another brand. I'm sure people must have thought of this already? Sorry about my rant in the above post and changing the subject of this thread, but I am just really insulted that I get something done wrong and then get charged again to fix it in the out of balance wheels. I paid the $40.00 because I wanted to see if I still had the vibration and that the vibration was not something else, it was the wheel balance. I can't wait to get the survey, although now that I called back the service writer I doubt I'll even get a survey.

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