RIP 2018 E63 - Lemon Law Buyback Completed
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Yes, I think so.
All cars have issues, some more than others. I've had several recalls on my Honda Odyssey. Two different safety related ones for seats, plus airbags, and something else. Truck and Jeep have both had a couple recalls.
Can't think of one car that didn't have something. Had a '79 Mustang Cobra with 5.0 V8 that had a design flaw in the transmission that they never recalled but did issue a service bulletin on some time after I had already spent $1300 on repairs with Ford - at least the repair was lifetime warrantied and the local dealer had to fix the tranny twice after that before I found the service bulletin and showed it to them. After that last fix it was fine.
So far, my problem seems to be resolved - though, I did drive the car for quite a while before it popped up in the first place, so perhaps too early to say its fixed for good.
All cars have issues, some more than others. I've had several recalls on my Honda Odyssey. Two different safety related ones for seats, plus airbags, and something else. Truck and Jeep have both had a couple recalls.
Can't think of one car that didn't have something. Had a '79 Mustang Cobra with 5.0 V8 that had a design flaw in the transmission that they never recalled but did issue a service bulletin on some time after I had already spent $1300 on repairs with Ford - at least the repair was lifetime warrantied and the local dealer had to fix the tranny twice after that before I found the service bulletin and showed it to them. After that last fix it was fine.
So far, my problem seems to be resolved - though, I did drive the car for quite a while before it popped up in the first place, so perhaps too early to say its fixed for good.
im not willing to have a CEL that makes me call for a tow or at least worry enough about damaging the engine to have to resort to a tow
my Acura had three trans issues and was lemoned but it never left me stranded.
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FYI - My 2017 Honda CR-V has an engine problem causing it to lose power and go into limp mode. Apparently its a very common issue with this new gen CRV; some people have reported complete stalls. I've experienced the limp mode once so far - lasted only seconds - and no CEL came on. There is no fix right now - Honda is working on it, and they hope to have something by mid-November.
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Those are the first steps they give in any misfire troubleshooting anyway. There have been some cracked manifolds on cars but largely I don't believe there are air leaks causing this. The plugs have to come out to look in the cylinders anyway so plug/coil replacement is normal (coils move from front to rear pairs, not replaced by default). Injector replacement isn't major surgery, just more brackets and things over them but even the coils are hard to get to. Having done them on the S63, it's not difficult, but it is a lot of small things to move. Warranty time is almost 4 hours per side to remove the fuel rail. It only pays 3 hours to remove the dash panel, so that's a lot for warranty work.
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Why are you removing the dash panel? Anyway, MB has another two weeks from me before we start a buyback. I only have this one car and im not interested in having it laid up in the shop for 3 weeks while a PTSS case is opened and people start disassembling the car in the hopes of finding something. As I said, 2 weeks and no CEL when keeping the car out of 4 cylinder mode. I'll let the tech and the engineers play with the diagnosis and "fix" on someone else's dime.
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Sorry to hear, has your dealer sent the car data to AMG Germany, do they have a fix?
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The CEL is due to software, not hardware. I've been instructed to keep the ECO off and to wait for the software update. They do not want to tear down the engine only to spend hours changing parts that are not the problem. Do you have some other input here? Twice the car has shut off cylinders when the CEL comes on. I don't believe that the car is reliable at this point. They've offered me a loaner while the car is parked in their shop. After 3 weeks, no software update.
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They don't care about the cost, they write that off. The dealership gets paid to fix the car, not an issue.
The problem is, they (AMG/Engineering) aren't really sure what is gonna fix it permanently so they are hesitant to let us throw parts at the cars if it isn't helping, as that will only cause more problems.
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Why are you removing the dash panel? Anyway, MB has another two weeks from me before we start a buyback. I only have this one car and im not interested in having it laid up in the shop for 3 weeks while a PTSS case is opened and people start disassembling the car in the hopes of finding something. As I said, 2 weeks and no CEL when keeping the car out of 4 cylinder mode. I'll let the tech and the engineers play with the diagnosis and "fix" on someone else's dime.
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I have a 2018 GLC63 and i just took it in for same misfires... cylinder 1, they just swapped out all of the spark plugs and said they didnt like the way they look. Im at 1400 miles and headed over to pick up the car now.
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1400 miles and the spark plugs are shot? Weird!
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Oh man, that sucks. I do recall that they changed injectors on E63's car. I think my original theory has something to do with it. When you get in the car turn the ignition on to the run position by not hitting the brake to start and then turn off the Eco mode button (on the right side of the center console) then hit the brake and start the car. My car still has had no check engine lights. I have not done this procedure all along but do it now to be safe. I really believe this the reason the 2019's are being held up is because of this issue and I believe a software update is not far away and will take care of any future issues for all the 2018 and 2019 E63 Amg's.
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I'd have to go back and look at the service record. They did so much it's a bit difficult to wade through. They for sure swapped them around and recalibrated them.
Checked with the code reader after I got back from my errand this morning. Same random misfire detected C0300 code, and C0301 and C0306, cylinder 1 and 6 misfires, but now there's also a C0308, cylinder 8 misfire.
Will call the dealer Monday and register the issue, but at this point I'm not inclined to take the car back in.
Checked with the code reader after I got back from my errand this morning. Same random misfire detected C0300 code, and C0301 and C0306, cylinder 1 and 6 misfires, but now there's also a C0308, cylinder 8 misfire.
Will call the dealer Monday and register the issue, but at this point I'm not inclined to take the car back in.
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I'd have to go back and look at the service record. They did so much it's a bit difficult to wade through. They for sure swapped them around and recalibrated them.
Checked with the code reader after I got back from my errand this morning. Same random misfire detected C0300 code, and C0301 and C0306, cylinder 1 and 6 misfires, but now there's also a C0308, cylinder 8 misfire.
Will call the dealer Monday and register the issue, but at this point I'm not inclined to take the car back in.
Checked with the code reader after I got back from my errand this morning. Same random misfire detected C0300 code, and C0301 and C0306, cylinder 1 and 6 misfires, but now there's also a C0308, cylinder 8 misfire.
Will call the dealer Monday and register the issue, but at this point I'm not inclined to take the car back in.
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Exactly what my service manager told me would happen even if they changed all of the parts that Germany wanted. The only valid fix that they made on one of the cars was for a cracked intake manifold (which is made of plastic). Until the software fix is released, the cars with CEL are basically unfixable.
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One injector cost more than the labor to change any amount of them.
They don't care about the cost, they write that off. The dealership gets paid to fix the car, not an issue.
The problem is, they (AMG/Engineering) aren't really sure what is gonna fix it permanently so they are hesitant to let us throw parts at the cars if it isn't helping, as that will only cause more problems.
They don't care about the cost, they write that off. The dealership gets paid to fix the car, not an issue.
The problem is, they (AMG/Engineering) aren't really sure what is gonna fix it permanently so they are hesitant to let us throw parts at the cars if it isn't helping, as that will only cause more problems.
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We use the same part # injector in EVERY engine, 4/6/8 cyl, AMG, regular cars, whatever. So they don't magically know that they are on cyl #1 and #6 in an E/S63. It's software related in regards to the injector coding values. If you get the right combination they seem to work ok, from what I see on the current case we have open at our dealer, they want us to put very evenly matched injectors in the car (had us order 12 to only replace 2 to get matching IMA codes), so it's something with the fine pulse management but not necessarily a defective injector issue or it would be happening in cars all over the place.
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I imagine there are CEL's during factory testing of these cars and those cars get some type of work before coming to the states or destination for "sale as new car"
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It's related to the injectors, yes.
We use the same part # injector in EVERY engine, 4/6/8 cyl, AMG, regular cars, whatever. So they don't magically know that they are on cyl #1 and #6 in an E/S63. It's software related in regards to the injector coding values. If you get the right combination they seem to work ok, from what I see on the current case we have open at our dealer, they want us to put very evenly matched injectors in the car (had us order 12 to only replace 2 to get matching IMA codes), so it's something with the fine pulse management but not necessarily a defective injector issue or it would be happening in cars all over the place.
We use the same part # injector in EVERY engine, 4/6/8 cyl, AMG, regular cars, whatever. So they don't magically know that they are on cyl #1 and #6 in an E/S63. It's software related in regards to the injector coding values. If you get the right combination they seem to work ok, from what I see on the current case we have open at our dealer, they want us to put very evenly matched injectors in the car (had us order 12 to only replace 2 to get matching IMA codes), so it's something with the fine pulse management but not necessarily a defective injector issue or it would be happening in cars all over the place.
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The first one I saw, the electronic records showed the misfires and CEL during the PDI, so it had to be on at some point before delivery I would think, yet it made it?
