E63S WAGON VS PANAMERA 4S
10-21-2018, 10:26 AM
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I did. I added up the Porsche tax (options) and ended up at around $165k Cdn + taxes + fees .. and dealer was to give $500 courtesy discount lol ... (even though I was a current owner of another Porsche at the time)
i cannot justified that excess $ with significant less power and ended up with the wagon.
for near $200k Cdn, I would rather pay for a 911 gts
i cannot justified that excess $ with significant less power and ended up with the wagon.
for near $200k Cdn, I would rather pay for a 911 gts
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10-21-2018, 10:48 AM
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10-21-2018, 11:04 AM
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And if you’re thinking about leasing, Porsche leases don’t transfer fully. You remain on the lease in “second position” so that if the person you transfer it to stops making payments, you’re on the hook. Same for Audis.
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10-21-2018, 11:05 AM
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The difference for me choosing the E63 wagon was not so much the price (although there is a huge difference and I wouldn’t have been able to afford the Pan Turbo)...it was the practicality. The trunk space is waaaaay bigger in the AMG. If you need strollers and suitcases, then it’s no contest. I do really love the Sport Turismo though, it looks so badass (would get aftermarket wheels though).
Good luck you won’t be disappointed with either!
Good luck you won’t be disappointed with either!
10-21-2018, 11:49 AM
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Yeah this is the problem. A well optioned E63S price (say, $125k) gets you into lightly optioned (by Porsche standards...) 4S territory and thus nowhere near the performance. And as @E63Wagonesque points out, the real comparison is the Sport Turismo. Beautiful looking car IMO but not nearly as practical as the E63S.
If $ were no object I'd probably get a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo. But the E63S Wagon is its own special kind of beast, less expensive, and more practical.
If $ were no object I'd probably get a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo. But the E63S Wagon is its own special kind of beast, less expensive, and more practical.
10-21-2018, 12:01 PM
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Yeah this is the problem. A well optioned E63S price (say, $125k) gets you into lightly optioned (by Porsche standards...) 4S territory and thus nowhere near the performance. And as @E63Wagonesque points out, the real comparison is the Sport Turismo. Beautiful looking car IMO but not nearly as practical as the E63S.
If $ were no object I'd probably get a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo. But the E63S Wagon is its own special kind of beast, less expensive, and more practical.
If $ were no object I'd probably get a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo. But the E63S Wagon is its own special kind of beast, less expensive, and more practical.
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10-21-2018, 08:29 PM
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I did. I added up the Porsche tax (options) and ended up at around $165k Cdn + taxes + fees .. and dealer was to give $500 courtesy discount lol ... (even though I was a current owner of another Porsche at the time)
i cannot justified that excess $ with significant less power and ended up with the wagon.
for near $200k Cdn, I would rather pay for a 911 gts
i cannot justified that excess $ with significant less power and ended up with the wagon.
for near $200k Cdn, I would rather pay for a 911 gts
The difference for me choosing the E63 wagon was not so much the price (although there is a huge difference and I wouldn’t have been able to afford the Pan Turbo)...it was the practicality. The trunk space is waaaaay bigger in the AMG. If you need strollers and suitcases, then it’s no contest. I do really love the Sport Turismo though, it looks so badass (would get aftermarket wheels though).
Good luck you won’t be disappointed with either!
Good luck you won’t be disappointed with either!
Yeah this is the problem. A well optioned E63S price (say, $125k) gets you into lightly optioned (by Porsche standards...) 4S territory and thus nowhere near the performance. And as @E63Wagonesque points out, the real comparison is the Sport Turismo. Beautiful looking car IMO but not nearly as practical as the E63S.
If $ were no object I'd probably get a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo. But the E63S Wagon is its own special kind of beast, less expensive, and more practical.
If $ were no object I'd probably get a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo. But the E63S Wagon is its own special kind of beast, less expensive, and more practical.
Yes there is less room for stuff, but most of the time i'm driving to/from work and when i'm hauling around family, there isn't all that much to carry. Can't justify a huge wagon for 1% of the time I would actually use/need it.
Panamera 4S is way down on power compared to the E63S for sure. Coming from an RS7 currently i've learned that i hardly ever use all the power available to me, so probably a bit of a waste in my hands. I can live with less HP, no problem. Save on fuel as well too.
The looks is also what drove the decision, I just LOVE the Panamera Sports Turismo. I just REALLY LIKE the E63S wagon.
So, in a nutshell i'll be picking up the Porsche next weekend.
I had a line on a nice 2018 wagon with all the specs i wanted and the sales guy was playing games with the numbers, I hate when they do that. Needless to say, that didn't help the decision making process towards the benz.
The Porsche sales guy was straight forward, direct and did what he said he was going to do. You know what, you get the sale bud.
Still, would love to have the E63S once in awhile! lol
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10-21-2018, 08:32 PM
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Yeah, porsche options and their pricing is just nuts.
Yup, the wagon is MUCH more practical, more room for everything and everyone.
Even thought the E63S Wagon is a beast with loads more practicality I still went with the Porsche.
Yes there is less room for stuff, but most of the time i'm driving to/from work and when i'm hauling around family, there isn't all that much to carry. Can't justify a huge wagon for 1% of the time I would actually use/need it.
Panamera 4S is way down on power compared to the E63S for sure. Coming from an RS7 currently i've learned that i hardly ever use all the power available to me, so probably a bit of a waste in my hands. I can live with less HP, no problem. Save on fuel as well too.
The looks is also what drove the decision, I just LOVE the Panamera Sports Turismo. I just REALLY LIKE the E63S wagon.
So, in a nutshell i'll be picking up the Porsche next weekend.
Still, would love to have the E63S once in awhile! lol
Yup, the wagon is MUCH more practical, more room for everything and everyone.
Even thought the E63S Wagon is a beast with loads more practicality I still went with the Porsche.
Yes there is less room for stuff, but most of the time i'm driving to/from work and when i'm hauling around family, there isn't all that much to carry. Can't justify a huge wagon for 1% of the time I would actually use/need it.
Panamera 4S is way down on power compared to the E63S for sure. Coming from an RS7 currently i've learned that i hardly ever use all the power available to me, so probably a bit of a waste in my hands. I can live with less HP, no problem. Save on fuel as well too.
The looks is also what drove the decision, I just LOVE the Panamera Sports Turismo. I just REALLY LIKE the E63S wagon.
So, in a nutshell i'll be picking up the Porsche next weekend.
Still, would love to have the E63S once in awhile! lol
10-22-2018, 08:53 AM
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To me the killer was the back seat of the P. It is a four seater even in the wagon version I due to the drive shaft. In addition the cost of options were just crazy!
The answer was always a limited production special car even thought it is part of VW and Audi. This is the justification for outrageous pricing.
Very nice car but I went for the MB. The P hybrid might be worth a look since after tax incentives it cost less than the base model.
The answer was always a limited production special car even thought it is part of VW and Audi. This is the justification for outrageous pricing.
Very nice car but I went for the MB. The P hybrid might be worth a look since after tax incentives it cost less than the base model.
10-22-2018, 02:38 PM
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To me the killer was the back seat of the P. It is a four seater even in the wagon version I due to the drive shaft. In addition the cost of options were just crazy!
The answer was always a limited production special car even thought it is part of VW and Audi. This is the justification for outrageous pricing.
Very nice car but I went for the MB. The P hybrid might be worth a look since after tax incentives it cost less than the base model.
The answer was always a limited production special car even thought it is part of VW and Audi. This is the justification for outrageous pricing.
Very nice car but I went for the MB. The P hybrid might be worth a look since after tax incentives it cost less than the base model.
10-22-2018, 02:42 PM
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10-22-2018, 02:53 PM
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Just drove my AMG wagon on a long trip and found it fantastic flat corning great power and lots of room.
I find the stock seats better than the Porsche. At first I was concerned about the 20 inch tires riding to hard but find them more than acceptable; I normally ride in the firmer sport mode though will switch to comfort on city streets.
I think the lower stance of the Porsche would not be a comfortable on the highway and in traffic.
I find the stock seats better than the Porsche. At first I was concerned about the 20 inch tires riding to hard but find them more than acceptable; I normally ride in the firmer sport mode though will switch to comfort on city streets.
I think the lower stance of the Porsche would not be a comfortable on the highway and in traffic.
10-22-2018, 03:11 PM
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10-22-2018, 03:11 PM
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To me the killer was the back seat of the P. It is a four seater even in the wagon version I due to the drive shaft. In addition the cost of options were just crazy!
The answer was always a limited production special car even thought it is part of VW and Audi. This is the justification for outrageous pricing.
Very nice car but I went for the MB. The P hybrid might be worth a look since after tax incentives it cost less than the base model.
The answer was always a limited production special car even thought it is part of VW and Audi. This is the justification for outrageous pricing.
Very nice car but I went for the MB. The P hybrid might be worth a look since after tax incentives it cost less than the base model.
porsche pricing IS outrageous but it's just so sweet, i couldn't resist. sucker.
I considered the hybrid seriously but there are some big issues to consider.
1. 600lbs weight gain from the battery. ugh, no thanks.
2. silent startup/driving. umm, i like engine, exhaust noises.
3. have to spend money on electrician to hook up their charging unit in my garage...ugh.
4. most of the serious reviews i have seen that compare the 4S vs the 4E-hybrid comment that the handling in the 4S seems noticeably sharper, likely due to the weight differences. this is important to me.
Just drove my AMG wagon on a long trip and found it fantastic flat corning great power and lots of room.
I find the stock seats better than the Porsche. At first I was concerned about the 20 inch tires riding to hard but find them more than acceptable; I normally ride in the firmer sport mode though will switch to comfort on city streets.
I think the lower stance of the Porsche would not be a comfortable on the highway and in traffic.
I find the stock seats better than the Porsche. At first I was concerned about the 20 inch tires riding to hard but find them more than acceptable; I normally ride in the firmer sport mode though will switch to comfort on city streets.
I think the lower stance of the Porsche would not be a comfortable on the highway and in traffic.
the porsche suspension is just sublime, they really did a great job imo.
10-22-2018, 04:19 PM
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When I tested the Panamera 4 and 4S, it felt much, much lower than the E63. Not sure how the specs compare and am too lazy to check ATM, but, seat of the pants, driving the Porsche felt like steering a slinking cat down the road. The AMG wasn't "high" of course, but didn't impart that same feeling. The Porsche also felt large in a way that the E63 did not. Not in a bad way, just...substantial.
Congrats @CanuckE63 !!
(I'm slumming in a Volvo V90 CC, and would happily trade it for either the AMG or the Porsche!!)
Congrats @CanuckE63 !!
(I'm slumming in a Volvo V90 CC, and would happily trade it for either the AMG or the Porsche!!)
