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Old 01-15-2019, 08:24 AM
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The car has the following

Stage 1 ECU Tune
DPD Filters
Lowering Module

That is all that has been done to the car nothing else. Other Mods to follow :

Down pipes (Had for 2 months not fitted )
Akrapovic Exhaust (Weight Saving I dont think it make any power ) ( Next Few Weeks if the Price is right )
Carbon Ceramics ( Weight Saving ) ( Need to save some cash as they are not cheap )
Custom Magnesium wheels weight 7.8kg each wheel ( Weight Saving ) ( Should be ready about 2 weeks )
900hpTurbos - As the Tq on the Gearbox is limited not sure how much extra these will help but time will tell. ( Trying to get a spare set to send )

Also I will take the Car to the Drag Strip to Confirm the results with the Draggy . The weather and tracks are not as good as you guys in the US.

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pretty much have and looking at the same mods
only thing pending are the hybrid turbos and mag wheels. May I ask where you got the mag wheels from and sizing? I’m looking to get a pair!
great pulls btw! You are right about the tq limiter on the gear, sucks!
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Originally Posted by BRABUS786
Some More Testing........



This is just EC stage 1 tune and filters? Hauling ***
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This is just EC stage 1 tune and filters? Hauling ***
is it because of the downhill slope?
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is it because of the downhill slope?
i will open a little secret for you : measuring 0–100 on downhill is worse than doing it on uphill .
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i will open a little secret for you : measuring 0–100 on downhill is worse than doing it on uphill .
how's that?
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how's that?
more weight on rear wheels-better traction
tested on few cars, that’s how it is.
im not talking about 5+% uphill slopes lol no .
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more weight on rear wheels-better traction
tested on few cars, that’s how it is.
im not talking about 5+% uphill slopes lol no .
Traction is not usually an issue with these cars. With warm tires I can launch at 4k rpm not even a chirp. Downhill is faster, it just is.
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Traction is not usually an issue with these cars. With warm tires I can launch at 4k rpm not even a chirp. Downhill is faster, it just is.
I've yet to try changing the launch rpm in launch control. What's the highest you can go?
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I think this is the best time Im gonna get on a stage 1. But to be fair the car ran 6.1 most of the times but glad with this time for now.
Stage 2 next few weeks but I don't expect much improvements but I will be trying some race fuel 109 and see what the difference is but I will let you know on the pump and race fuel on the stage 2.
Will be taking the car to the drag strip when it open in 4 weeks just to compare the results from the Dragy

So final results Stage 1 and Filters

0-60 mph 2.86
100-200 km/h 6.03
60-130mph 7.03
1/4 mile 10.54

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Quick Update
I think this is the best time Im gonna get on a stage 1. But to be fair the car ran 6.1 most of the times but glad with this time for now.
that is brutal! with only a stage 1 tune

i even might do a tune like this also for the first time in my life.

by the way, today went to a local inspection shop to legalize the window tints and the guys start talking about my car and how cool it look and then they mentioned the Audi RS6 Avant with 705 HP. I wasn't aware of that and made a quick search to find out that it is a limited and tuned edition of the base RS6 Avant Performance and it "only" makes 3.5s in 0-60mph!
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There is no ****ing way you got a 7.03s 60-130mph with a tune and some intake filters. That's faster than a Huracan Performante. My car runs 8.65s with a tune... Was this at a prepped drag strip? What was the DA? Is the downhill slope a factor here? Even those variables shouldn't count for a 23% difference? That's... amazing unless you're lying? (sorry to sound like a salty butthurt Internet nerd who is upset your car is faster than his lol)

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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
There is no ****ing way you got a 7.03s 60-130mph with a tune and some intake filters. That's faster than a Huracan Performante. My car runs 8.65s with a tune... Was this at a prepped drag strip? What was the DA? Is the downhill slope a factor here? Even those variables shouldn't count for a 23% difference? That's... amazing unless you're lying? (sorry to sound like a salty butthurt Internet nerd who is upset your car is faster than his lol)

That car was tested for over the month and constantly developing and correcting ecu file, not like most of others cars that got off the shelf tune
And yes, its truth, only remap + filters, that result was recorded on public road with slippery road and had some wheel spin on 3rd gear.
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Originally Posted by dav461
That car was tested for over the month and constantly developing and correcting ecu file, not like most of others cars that got off the shelf tune
And yes, its truth, only remap + filters, that result was recorded on public road with slippery road and had some wheel spin on 3rd gear.
Is that to say that off the shelf tunes leave 20% on the table?

How much did the filters cost and are there any downsides to them?

How much tuning/dyno time/money went into developing this tune? $3k? $5k?

I am probably not alone when I say... I'd pay money to make my car 20% faster if it's safe? Any problems with misfiring/detonation?
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
Is that to say that off the shelf tunes leave 20% on the table?

How much did the filters cost and are there any downsides to them?

How much tuning/dyno time/money went into developing this tune? $3k? $5k?

I am probably not alone when I say... I'd pay money to make my car 20% faster if it's safe? Any problems with misfiring/detonation?
The thing is, most tuners give as safest as possible tune, you should keep in mind that every car runs different even with ecu remap.
I think filters are 250$ , im not sure. Car run on dyno at least 14 times as far as i remember ( thats how many different maps were developed)
no problems so far, car is pushed hard on frequent basis ( dyno/road measuring)
Will see what will happen when it comes to st2, because thats where most problems come ( o2 sensors bypass)
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The thing is, most tuners give as safest as possible tune, you should keep in mind that every car runs different even with ecu remap.
I think filters are 250$ , im not sure. Car run on dyno at least 14 times as far as i remember ( thats how many different maps were developed)
no problems so far, car is pushed hard on frequent basis ( dyno/road measuring)
Will see what will happen when it comes to st2, because thats where most problems come ( o2 sensors bypass)
That is amazing. What else do you plan to do for stage 2? You're not going to drop the tranny for downpipes, right? You are just going to cut instead yes?

You never have any misfire problems? Like you floor it and the turbos/spark give out?
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Originally Posted by dav461
That car was tested for over the month and constantly developing and correcting ecu file, not like most of others cars that got off the shelf tune
And yes, its truth, only remap + filters, that result was recorded on public road with slippery road and had some wheel spin on 3rd gear.
why are you replying instead of OP?
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why are you replying instead of OP?
Does the dragy downhill slope make a big difference or am I an idiot?
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
That is amazing. What else do you plan to do for stage 2? You're not going to drop the tranny for downpipes, right? You are just going to cut instead yes?

You never have any misfire problems? Like you floor it and the turbos/spark give out?
yeah, best way to cut them, makes the whole process easy. Never miss fired or anything...

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why are you replying instead of OP?
he comes here very rare, so I might help to answer Muffin questions regarding the tune. I know pretty much everything about his car and every step they go through as we are very good friends.
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yeah, best way to cut them, makes the whole process easy. Never miss fired or anything...



he comes here very rare, so I might help to answer Muffin questions regarding the tune. I know pretty much everything about his car and every step they go through as we are very good friends.
so... it's just a Eurocharged tune?
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
so... it's just a Eurocharged tune?
baseline file is EC yes
but tune was further corrected to make it stronger
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Originally Posted by dav461
baseline file is EC yes
but tune was further corrected to make it stronger
i hate to be an internet hater but unless i saw a video of the engine bay, then the driver walked into the cockpit of the same car, then turned on dragy, then drove and pulls a 7s 60-130mph all uncut, i can’t believe this is real
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored


i hate to be an internet hater but unless i saw a video of the engine bay, then the driver walked into the cockpit of the same car, then turned on dragy, then drove and pulls a 7s 60-130mph all uncut, i can’t believe this is real
I agree, the gains are enormous compared to what other tunes have out there. I understand fine tuning the tune but come on, did every other tuner leave that much on the table? The delta is just off the charts. Maybe there are other factors missing like race gas?? Filters are not going to make that much of difference. I guess a time slip would be great to see?

And I echo Muffin here, not trying to hate down but the W213 has been relatively light in times with heavier mods.
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My Car and Dyno Room


Dyno Graph - Orange Is stock Run and other 2 are stage 1 and UPD Filters


0-60mph


100-200 kh/m


60-130mph


1/4 mile


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