2012 merc amg

Anyone heard any interesting info on the next years model AMG Wagon? I may be interested if it differs from the 213 Platform. I had a 2018 and really was not crazy about it, on the other hand I had a 2012 212 Silver Wagon and really did like that car, I was sorry I ever traded it for the 213. I searched the net but cant find much about the 2021, maybe a hybrid, etc. thats about it. Hopefully they are not skipping a year or anything. I have been keeping my eyes open for a good used 2016 E63 AMG wagon with low miles. It's either that or maybe a Audi RS6 Wagon, or perhaps I will like the 2021 E63 AMG wagon. I would hope they make the suspension more compliant in the comfort settings and improve efficiently.

bobblehead

It's still called W213 but with a refresh/facelift. It should come with a hybrid & MBUX setup for 2021 model year, other than that, not much more than just cosmetic update.

I am also interested in swapping my 2018 E63S wagon to the 2021, just waiting for more concrete info. before I put down my deposit on it. I would think the MY2021 would arrive in North America sometimes in November 2020.

Fastcars1969

Can you tell me what you dislike about your 2018 E63S Wagon. I'm on the fence about getting one.

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Carac

If you didn't like the 2018 the 2021 won't change your mind since it will likely be identical other than a different headlight design. Also, I wouldn't count on a hybrid system or MBUX until the W214 in 2024/25

2012 merc amg

Wow so sounds like not much difference. I seriously did like my 2012 e63 wagon. Had the car nearly 5 years. Best car I ever owned. Traded it in for my 2018 e63 wagon. Shoulda driven one first big mistake. I drove it 1 year and 14.5 k miles. Just did not like the feel of the car and big mistake for me getting it in red. Sure wished I’d just driven the 2012 over 100k miles. Those cars are well built. Would saved a ton of money and been more happy. I’m keeping my eyes open for a low mileage one found one but it was clear across the country. I do like my 2019 E450 wagon. Had a tuner on it. I’d say about 400 hp at the crank. No comparison to 550 or 603. The performance itch is haunting me lately. I’ve thought about the Weistech turbo upgrade on my E450. That would bring power of the twin turbo v6 up to 540 with a tune and downpipes. Tempting. Be interesting to see how it would do against a 212 stock. Weistech claims the engine and trans will take that kind of power surprisingly. I don’t see another 213 in my future although maybe I’ll try driving a used 2019 maybe in grey or black. I just don’t think I’ll like the car. Although one thing I shoulda tried on my 2018 was all season tires and wrapping the red paint. Maybe I gave up on the car too easily. I dunno.

GermanMIA

It sounds more like you didn't like the looks of your car because you got the wrong color?

2012 merc amg

no there was more to it than that. I just did not like the way the car drove and the ride in New England roads was crazy harsh. A lot more so than my 212. In the 212 I felt like I was driving a luxury car which is what I want with power to boot. I found the 213 not comfortable for long trips and a lot worse on gas than my 212. I was in reality getting 19 to 20 mpg on the highway at 70. I could get 24 to 25 I’m my 2012. For me that’s a big deal as it’s not easy for me stopping for gas getting in and out a lot. That’s like 100 extra miles I could drive on a sitting in my 212 going from New England to Florida. I made the decision over a year ago to trade in my 213. To be honest I never really liked the engine sound of either car. The 212 sounded more like a tractor and the 213 was too raspy. I dunno maybe a new mid engine corvette could be a good car for me if I could ever get one within a couple years. I’ll probably be at the dealer test driving one.

bobblehead

If mb e wagon is not suitable, there is the Audi rs6 wagon coming this fall (if you get allocation now and no lineup at your dealer)

Germancar1

No way that the E-Class wont' get MBUX at facelift time. The next E is too far away for it to miss out on MBUX for all that time. Even the GLC got it during it's facelift.

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2012 merc amg

i talked with a salesman at an Audi dealer last fall and he knew nothing about the RS6 wagon and said it probably would not happen. That runs contrary to what the press is saying about it. A lot of these freaking idiot salespeople should probably loose their jobs. You think about all it costs their companies due to their ignorance. The thing is though I’d really have to try out the car first though before putting an order in for it. The car being so limited that would be tough. I don’t want to be stuck with a car again I don’t even like because I bought it without driving it.

bobblehead

The rs6 wagon likely cannot be test driven at any dealer as the car is already production limited by the time it comes to North America . This was the case with our e wagon when first launched in 2017.

2012 merc amg

yep that’s kinda how I ended up with the 2018 amg Wagon.

bobblehead

Perhaps, test drive a rs7 (current or past model yrs) to get a general feel of it, in terms of comfort, handling, etc.

2012 merc amg

I may consider one of these, one life to live. https://www.motor1.com/reviews/22357...s63-cabriolet/ Interesting that they say in comfort the car rides as good as the 4 dr S class which is one of the best riding cars on the road. I guess this explains why the e 63 amg is so stiff in comfort mode, they gotta get you to buy a S63 AMG. This would solve the issues on all fronts, maybe a used 2018.

GermanMIA

Since you are in FL, I know that Audi North Miami is taking down deposits. I was looking into the RS6 with them, but ultimately timing didn't work for me. I agree that getting one for a test drive will be very difficult considering how limited it is. That being said, you could go and test drive an RS7 once they arrive as the drivetrain is very similar. And even if you end up getting an RS6 and don't like it, I don't think you'd have a hard time selling it.

Fastcars1969

Me personally I would never buy a $100 plus car without drving it. There will always be something that might not sit well with the buyer. Also I don't think that buying one for $130K plus and you try to unload it it will be a walk in the park. I have lived that lie. Only my 2 cents.

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coolcamden

S63 Coupé is the best combination of comfort, power, presence, looks. Totally non-biased opinion.

2012 merc amg

Yes never again will buy a car without driving it first. Tomorrow I'm going to look at a 2017 S550 Cabriolet with high end sound system and most options. It's no race car or anything but gets an unbelievable ride and incredible comfort inside. I'll see if I can trade my 2019 E450 Cabriolet plus some cash, they both have the same mileage on them but of course the S550 is two model years older but was nearly a double the sticker price to start off with. For me its more about comfort than sheer speed and I could always do a tune on the car and bring it from 449HP up to 540 HP with a Renntech tune. One of my main considerations is that the car is higher and more easy to get into and especially out of. The e450 cab I currently have is very low with the AMG line. The seats look higher in the S550 too, I'll find out tomorrow. The S550 Cab is about 600 lbs more heavy than my E450 and performance specs are pretty close because of the added weight even the E450 has less power.