Issue with car
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Issue with car
Hi all
I have an issue with my car that the dealership is refusing to acknowledge but I wondered if anyone else had this issue and whether it was a characteristic of the car.
I feel this issue has increased over time and certainly I didn’t feel it was there for the first 6-9 months of me having the car.
Effectively it feels like I have increasing amounts of what feels like turbo lag.
Two clear situations where I can replicate it every time and it happens in all modes ie comfort. sport and sport+
1. From a standing start, putting my foot hard on the accelerator, it can take up to a second for the turbo to kick in and really shunt.
2. If I’m cruising towards say a junction and I take my foot off the accelerator and let the speed fall, say from 25mph to 15mph but then see a gap so put my foot back on the accelerator, there is a noticeable delay before the car bursts forward with any pace.
Its really starting to bug me, it has been almost dangerous at a couple of roundabouts where I thought the car would move quicker and have been taken by surprise by the lag/delay.
My car is a 2019 E63S Wagon, does anyone else get this issue? Is it normal? If not, does anyone have any ideas what it could be and what I should be asking to get looked at as my dealership are basically washing their hands.
Any help/input would be appreciated.
I have an issue with my car that the dealership is refusing to acknowledge but I wondered if anyone else had this issue and whether it was a characteristic of the car.
I feel this issue has increased over time and certainly I didn’t feel it was there for the first 6-9 months of me having the car.
Effectively it feels like I have increasing amounts of what feels like turbo lag.
Two clear situations where I can replicate it every time and it happens in all modes ie comfort. sport and sport+
1. From a standing start, putting my foot hard on the accelerator, it can take up to a second for the turbo to kick in and really shunt.
2. If I’m cruising towards say a junction and I take my foot off the accelerator and let the speed fall, say from 25mph to 15mph but then see a gap so put my foot back on the accelerator, there is a noticeable delay before the car bursts forward with any pace.
Its really starting to bug me, it has been almost dangerous at a couple of roundabouts where I thought the car would move quicker and have been taken by surprise by the lag/delay.
My car is a 2019 E63S Wagon, does anyone else get this issue? Is it normal? If not, does anyone have any ideas what it could be and what I should be asking to get looked at as my dealership are basically washing their hands.
Any help/input would be appreciated.
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Mine is 2 yrs on the road now (just under 50,000km) and when I drive with Comfort mode (very few times), then I do have the lag in power (very noticeable). In all other modes, I have been experiencing very tiny lag which is noticeable but in a sense of a bit annoying .... for now. I am just taking in as a sign of car's aging process (spark plugs, tranny fluid, aging engine oil, etc)
@Slugsy Maybe change out the oil and see if you notice any differences.
@Slugsy Maybe change out the oil and see if you notice any differences.
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Mine is 2 yrs on the road now (just under 50,000km) and when I drive with Comfort mode (very few times), then I do have the lag in power (very noticeable). In all other modes, I have been experiencing very tiny lag which is noticeable but in a sense of a bit annoying .... for now. I am just taking in as a sign of car's aging process (spark plugs, tranny fluid, aging engine oil, etc)
@Slugsy Maybe change out the oil and see if you notice any differences.
@Slugsy Maybe change out the oil and see if you notice any differences.
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Depending on the gas you use and the mileage on yours. Carbon buildup on intake valves is also a typical big factor as well.
After oil change is done, then perhaps, you can consider adding a fuel cleaner additives as well (any brand that has PEA detergent in its ingredients)
http://www.stp.com/products/fuel-add...system-cleaner
After oil change is done, then perhaps, you can consider adding a fuel cleaner additives as well (any brand that has PEA detergent in its ingredients)
http://www.stp.com/products/fuel-add...system-cleaner
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Depending on the gas you use and the mileage on yours. Carbon buildup on intake valves is also a typical big factor as well.
After oil change is done, then perhaps, you can consider adding a fuel cleaner additives as well (any brand that has PEA detergent in its ingredients)
http://www.stp.com/products/fuel-add...system-cleaner
After oil change is done, then perhaps, you can consider adding a fuel cleaner additives as well (any brand that has PEA detergent in its ingredients)
http://www.stp.com/products/fuel-add...system-cleaner
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I think it has more to do with the adaptation of the vehicle. I pull my battery once a month to reset all adaptation values and no more lag. But I'm no expert on this so I can be totally off base....
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This is new to me, what is the adaption values? I’ve had loads of warnings recently about a critical low battery but is that different?
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These cars have undersized battery capacity/charging and there is a lot of discussion on this topic alone.
My recent experience: was getting warnings about battery at critical level (only short drives over the last month). Took a long trip last weekend: battery improved from critical to partially charged after about 100 miles. After 300 miles from the start it moved up to “charged”.
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To me, this sounds like the common thread many "performance oriented" MB owners have found -- the throttle of these cars, both turbo and N/A, have many response quirks. It is unfortunately all too common to find that when you are cruising along, then let off the gas, then step on it again, the car just sits there for what feels like forever before it responds. This is an artifact of the "drive-by-wire" electronic throttles and their interface to the engine and transmission management systems of the cars. This is not "turbo lag" but is plain throttle lag. Using Sport or Sport+ modes, which keep the transmission in its lower gears longer, seems to minimize the behavior, allowing the car to respond more aggressively when it finally does "wake up." There are times when I actually have to totally release the gas, then step down again, to get it to act.
We have an E400 (turbo) and a GLK350 (not turbo), and both exhibit this behavior. It took me a long time (over a year) to learn how to drive the car to minimize this lag. I can't explain how to do it, though, it is just muscle memory. . .
We have an E400 (turbo) and a GLK350 (not turbo), and both exhibit this behavior. It took me a long time (over a year) to learn how to drive the car to minimize this lag. I can't explain how to do it, though, it is just muscle memory. . .
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Depending on the gas you use and the mileage on yours. Carbon buildup on intake valves is also a typical big factor as well.
After oil change is done, then perhaps, you can consider adding a fuel cleaner additives as well (any brand that has PEA detergent in its ingredients)
http://www.stp.com/products/fuel-add...system-cleaner
After oil change is done, then perhaps, you can consider adding a fuel cleaner additives as well (any brand that has PEA detergent in its ingredients)
http://www.stp.com/products/fuel-add...system-cleaner
Not sure about your motor. Some Audi need there heads cleaned of carbon once in a while. Porsche also has DFI and they don't seem to have that
problem.
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Agree with the others in that I think it’s the throttle response. Mine is a ‘19 bought new. I was hoping after enough break-in it’ll get better. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn’t. I drive in sport all the time. Sport + is a bit aggressive for everyday driving for me.
Interestingly my ‘17 GLE63s is a lot better in that regard with near instantaneous throttle response. Car bought used with 13,000 miles on the clock, hence my desire to break-in the wagon before final judgement. It can fool you into thinking it’s a naturally aspirated car for that matter and yeah I know different powertrain but you’d think the older tech with the hankies 7 spd would be worse. I’m sure at the limit the M177 will outperform the M157 unit but we’re talking daily driving observations at 1/10ths.
Interestingly my ‘17 GLE63s is a lot better in that regard with near instantaneous throttle response. Car bought used with 13,000 miles on the clock, hence my desire to break-in the wagon before final judgement. It can fool you into thinking it’s a naturally aspirated car for that matter and yeah I know different powertrain but you’d think the older tech with the hankies 7 spd would be worse. I’m sure at the limit the M177 will outperform the M157 unit but we’re talking daily driving observations at 1/10ths.
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So I’ve done the TCU reset and it seemed to have some sort of impact in Comfort but didn’t get much time to try it a lot. Will test tomorrow.
Going to do ECU reset as well and then have a good list of requests from all your helpful advice to go to the dealership with.
I honestly can say, you guys are miles more help than the dealership, I really appreciate it, thanks.
Going to do ECU reset as well and then have a good list of requests from all your helpful advice to go to the dealership with.
I honestly can say, you guys are miles more help than the dealership, I really appreciate it, thanks.
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I have noticed it in Comfort mode. Not sure how often, but I do recall it has happened. One time I was going to merge onto the highway from an almost standstill and it almost caused an accident because of the complete lack of response. I typically drive in Race or S+ mode and haven't had any noticeable lag issues there at all.
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Well, actually, the current one I am using for the E63 is the PedalBox.
https://www.pedalbox.com/us/?gclid=C...UaAg3DEALw_wcB
These units go between the accelerator pedal electrical connector and the drive by wire connector. All it does is remove the delay in throttle response these higher power autos have for smoother acceleration when initially stepping on the gas pedal. They do work, and make your car feel as if it has more power since the delay in the throttle response is removed. There was much debate about the sprint booster when it first came out for the drive by wire autos. I have one on my 2004 E500.
https://www.pedalbox.com/us/?gclid=C...UaAg3DEALw_wcB
These units go between the accelerator pedal electrical connector and the drive by wire connector. All it does is remove the delay in throttle response these higher power autos have for smoother acceleration when initially stepping on the gas pedal. They do work, and make your car feel as if it has more power since the delay in the throttle response is removed. There was much debate about the sprint booster when it first came out for the drive by wire autos. I have one on my 2004 E500.
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Well, actually, the current one I am using for the E63 is the PedalBox.
https://www.pedalbox.com/us/?gclid=C...UaAg3DEALw_wcB
These units go between the accelerator pedal electrical connector and the drive by wire connector. All it does is remove the delay in throttle response these higher power autos have for smoother acceleration when initially stepping on the gas pedal. They do work, and make your car feel as if it has more power since the delay in the throttle response is removed. There was much debate about the sprint booster when it first came out for the drive by wire autos. I have one on my 2004 E500.
https://www.pedalbox.com/us/?gclid=C...UaAg3DEALw_wcB
These units go between the accelerator pedal electrical connector and the drive by wire connector. All it does is remove the delay in throttle response these higher power autos have for smoother acceleration when initially stepping on the gas pedal. They do work, and make your car feel as if it has more power since the delay in the throttle response is removed. There was much debate about the sprint booster when it first came out for the drive by wire autos. I have one on my 2004 E500.
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Super easy. You just unplug the connector that connects to the back of the accelerator pedal, and put this device between the two. I have mine set to the medium setting since highest setting is almost too sensitive sometimes. I used to reset the adaptation every now and then until these devices became available. I'm sure there are tons of threads on these devices in many auto forums.
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you can get a tuning box for just a bit more from TDI Tuning www.tdi-tuning.com that will sort your lag out! easy fit take off when going into dealership it has no trace of being on there! Have one on my Hilux made a big difference! Didn't get for my 63 not enough gains for me
