Ordering a 2021 E63 Wagon
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I've ordered mine yesterday (e63s estate). Today dealer mailed me and told me end of January delivery, so I guess what he previously stated, build in December was correct. ( live in sweden)
Also, I've been trying googling any testdrives of the facelifted version or so, If you have noticed there are none yet. Try searching youtube and all you will find is interior/exterior vids with revving engines. There must be some kind of NDA or they don´t want youtubers to review the pre production cars. There is only one video on the tube where they drive, produced by mercedes themselves (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJWQYdJ0HR4).
If you check all the facelifted e63 on sale on mobile.de (europe biggest site for new and second hand cars), on the facelifted e63s, several of them has the code "pre production car", in german "#05 FS Vorführfahrzeuge". So my guess, the reason why your dealers cannot tell you regarding the start of the production of the non preproduction cars it´s covid19 related or something. My dealer said that production of the first cars actually starts in nov, but I can not verify that.
Also, I've been trying googling any testdrives of the facelifted version or so, If you have noticed there are none yet. Try searching youtube and all you will find is interior/exterior vids with revving engines. There must be some kind of NDA or they don´t want youtubers to review the pre production cars. There is only one video on the tube where they drive, produced by mercedes themselves (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJWQYdJ0HR4).
If you check all the facelifted e63 on sale on mobile.de (europe biggest site for new and second hand cars), on the facelifted e63s, several of them has the code "pre production car", in german "#05 FS Vorführfahrzeuge". So my guess, the reason why your dealers cannot tell you regarding the start of the production of the non preproduction cars it´s covid19 related or something. My dealer said that production of the first cars actually starts in nov, but I can not verify that.
Why do you need to see a test-drive? This is a facelift model. The drive train is still the same although the exhaust sound might be a bit softer. The real changes are inside in the command system and the steering wheel configuration. The outside is just cosmetics.
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I've poked at my dealership a few times. I spoke to the GM. They keep reassuring me its "in the system." I am not sure running around to other dealerships will help much. I'm going to give my dealer another month or two to get an allocation. If they don't have something by early December, then I will start looking elsewhere. Its obvious that there are extremely few allocations, so its going to be a wait regardless. I am not in a huge hurry. My current car's lease is good through until next March, and I have a Porsche I can drive if this goes out to next summer.
Yes, waiting is painful.
The whole car business seems stuck in an antiquated business model. This "Hunger Games" approach to allocations seems decidedly outdated. Why not have a central ordering system that is simply first come first serve. That way if a small dealer nabs a customer, it can land the customer. The current model seems to focus the high-dollar customers to a small number of big players. Which seems unnecessarily restrictive. As a consumer, I should be able to select my retail outlet, and if that's a smaller shop, why should I the customer be punished for that?
Yes, waiting is painful.
The whole car business seems stuck in an antiquated business model. This "Hunger Games" approach to allocations seems decidedly outdated. Why not have a central ordering system that is simply first come first serve. That way if a small dealer nabs a customer, it can land the customer. The current model seems to focus the high-dollar customers to a small number of big players. Which seems unnecessarily restrictive. As a consumer, I should be able to select my retail outlet, and if that's a smaller shop, why should I the customer be punished for that?
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Yes, it seems to be very slow in germany, but talking to you guys it seems that some of you got builddates and they seem to be right according to order date (as mentioned I ordered last week, and the car is probably built in December). My dealer said also things can change (I guess to the worse) depending on covid19 situation. Correct me if I´m wrong but it doesn´t seem that any facelifted e63s has been delivered to customer yet? I think you should see that on social media somewhere, someone showing off their car. I have looked on every video there are, in order to see the options “live”. The rims and interior has been the hardest for me to decide. Still don´t know if I choosed the right thing for me ..:-)
My Spec: 2021 E63 Wagon (difficult to do a direct translation since some of the standard and options are country specific)
My Spec: 2021 E63 Wagon (difficult to do a direct translation since some of the standard and options are country specific)
- Selenite Grey
- SA-RZU - 20-inch AMG cross-spoke ()
- 561 - Black w/ Silver Stitching
- 736 - Natural Grain Black Ash Wood
- PAF - Acoustic Comfort Package
- PBP - Energizing comfort
- DA2 - Driver Assistance Package
- DA4 - Advanced Lighting Package
- 3-zone climate
- Dashcam
- 432 Active Multicontour Front Seats with Massage Feature
- PYO PremiumpaketPlus (not in US?), includes 810,U19,275,413,868, which is Burmester, Panorama etc
- Also towbarpkg... Couldn´t see that I US DOG
- Something they call “Winterpackage” so you can pre-heat the car before driving off in winter.
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Yes, slow, I didn´t know this before I decided on the car, I just assumed they had full production of the 2021 since july or something. Talking to you it seems that some of you got builddates and they are "right" according to order date (as mentioned I ordered last week, and the car will probably be built in December). My dealer said also things can change (I guess to the worse) depending on covid19 situation. Correct me if I´m wrong but it doesn´t seem that any facelifted e63s has been delivered to any customer yet (just dealers). I think you should see people showing of on social media somewhere. I have looked on every video there are in order to see the options “live”, which has been "a pain". The rims and interior has been the hardest for me to decide. Still don´t know if I choosed the right thing for me :-)
My Spec: 2021 E63 Wagon (difficult to do a direct translation since some of the standard and options are country specific)
My Spec: 2021 E63 Wagon (difficult to do a direct translation since some of the standard and options are country specific)
- Selenite Grey
- SA-RZU - 20-inch AMG cross-spoke ()
- 561 - Black w/ Silver Stitching
- 736 - Natural Grain Black Ash Wood
- PAF - Acoustic Comfort Package
- PBP - Energizing comfort
- DA2 - Driver Assistance Package
- DA4 - Advanced Lighting Package
- DB9 Sun Protection Package
- 3-zone climate
- Dashcam
- 432 Active Multicontour Front Seats with Massage Feature
- PYO PremiumpaketPlus (not in US?), includes 810,U19,275,413,868, which is Burmester, Panorama etc
- Also towbarpkg J Couldn´t see that I US DOG
- Something they call “Winterpackage” so you can pre-heat the car before driving off in winter.
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Correct, and the estimated delivey date was in march, but when he got the confirmation 24h later he said, delivery to dealership end of january. But, I´m in sweden, and most af you are in US, so It´s difficult to draw any conclusions. How many weeks extra for the boat? (4?)
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Correct, and the estimated delivey date was in march, but when he got the confirmation 24h later he said, delivery to dealership end of january. But, I´m in sweden, and most af you are in US, so It´s difficult to draw any conclusions. How many weeks extra for the boat? (4?)
BTW, I ordered the RTR coss-forged wheels.
Last edited by HBerman; 10-07-2020 at 02:56 AM.
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Got build slot yesterday for wagon - December production
Selenite Grey/Nut Brown/Metal Weave
Options
Driver Assistance Package
Exterior Lighting Package
Sun Protection Package
AMG Carbon Ceramic Braking System
AMG Forged Cross-Spoke Wheels
Augmented Video for Navigation
2 USB-C Ports in Rear
Dashcam
Rear Side Airbags
Active Multicontour Front Seats w/ Massage
Head-Up Display
Black DINAMICA Headliner
Heated Rear Seats
Soft-Close Doors
Selenite Grey/Nut Brown/Metal Weave
Options
Driver Assistance Package
Exterior Lighting Package
Sun Protection Package
AMG Carbon Ceramic Braking System
AMG Forged Cross-Spoke Wheels
Augmented Video for Navigation
2 USB-C Ports in Rear
Dashcam
Rear Side Airbags
Active Multicontour Front Seats w/ Massage
Head-Up Display
Black DINAMICA Headliner
Heated Rear Seats
Soft-Close Doors
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Got build slot yesterday for wagon - December production
Selenite Grey/Nut Brown/Metal Weave
Options
Driver Assistance Package
Exterior Lighting Package
Sun Protection Package
AMG Carbon Ceramic Braking System
AMG Forged Cross-Spoke Wheels
Augmented Video for Navigation
2 USB-C Ports in Rear
Dashcam
Rear Side Airbags
Active Multicontour Front Seats w/ Massage
Head-Up Display
Black DINAMICA Headliner
Heated Rear Seats
Soft-Close Doors
Selenite Grey/Nut Brown/Metal Weave
Options
Driver Assistance Package
Exterior Lighting Package
Sun Protection Package
AMG Carbon Ceramic Braking System
AMG Forged Cross-Spoke Wheels
Augmented Video for Navigation
2 USB-C Ports in Rear
Dashcam
Rear Side Airbags
Active Multicontour Front Seats w/ Massage
Head-Up Display
Black DINAMICA Headliner
Heated Rear Seats
Soft-Close Doors
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My friend, There is no such thing "in the system" when 2021 E63 has not been even released to Europe. First, is Ordering Guide and allocations, which they should be available in December.
Regarding the allocation system, is like saying that i want the same Nike limited edition models that you can by from NYC flagship store, at my local grocery shop in the middle of nowhere, . Factory will provide limited production models to dealers that sell the most of those cars. A dealer that sells one 63 Wag every two years, is not going to be on MB top dealer choice for allocations.
Regarding the allocation system, is like saying that i want the same Nike limited edition models that you can by from NYC flagship store, at my local grocery shop in the middle of nowhere, . Factory will provide limited production models to dealers that sell the most of those cars. A dealer that sells one 63 Wag every two years, is not going to be on MB top dealer choice for allocations.
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In Canada, due to covid situation, there is no longer dealer allocation basis anymore. All e63 orders and allocation is centralized as dealers are to forward them to MB Canada head office for review and allocation is then given on a first come, first served basis.
i have spoken to 3 MB Canada corporate owned dealers and this is what they told me in recent weeks.
i have spoken to 3 MB Canada corporate owned dealers and this is what they told me in recent weeks.
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My friend, There is no such thing "in the system" when 2021 E63 has not been even released to Europe. First, is Ordering Guide and allocations, which they should be available in December.
Regarding the allocation system, is like saying that i want the same Nike limited edition models that you can by from NYC flagship store, at my local grocery shop in the middle of nowhere, . Factory will provide limited production models to dealers that sell the most of those cars. A dealer that sells one 63 Wag every two years, is not going to be on MB top dealer choice for allocations.
Regarding the allocation system, is like saying that i want the same Nike limited edition models that you can by from NYC flagship store, at my local grocery shop in the middle of nowhere, . Factory will provide limited production models to dealers that sell the most of those cars. A dealer that sells one 63 Wag every two years, is not going to be on MB top dealer choice for allocations.
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My friend, There is no such thing "in the system" when 2021 E63 has not been even released to Europe. First, is Ordering Guide and allocations, which they should be available in December.
Regarding the allocation system, is like saying that i want the same Nike limited edition models that you can by from NYC flagship store, at my local grocery shop in the middle of nowhere, . Factory will provide limited production models to dealers that sell the most of those cars. A dealer that sells one 63 Wag every two years, is not going to be on MB top dealer choice for allocations.
Regarding the allocation system, is like saying that i want the same Nike limited edition models that you can by from NYC flagship store, at my local grocery shop in the middle of nowhere, . Factory will provide limited production models to dealers that sell the most of those cars. A dealer that sells one 63 Wag every two years, is not going to be on MB top dealer choice for allocations.
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Finally they´ve started to try out the production car! MrBenzKing confirms in his videos it has all been preproduction until now.
or if you prefer read: https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/e63-s
I have been most keen to find out if the added comfort has ben noticeable. Watching the vids, it has, but it´s quite subtle (The harsh ride was something that worried me). It seems that you really need to get used to the new steering wheel controls. And what I find a little bit interesting, reading the topgear article the raw performance maybe has improved a little bit(?).
"I have been most keen to find out if the added comfort has ben noticeable. Watching the vids, it has, but it´s quite subtle. It seems that you really need to get used to the new steering wheel controls. And what I find a little bit interesting, reading the topgear article the raw performance maybe has improved a little bit.
Which is still a deeply, ridiculously fast car. AMG may claim to have left the powertrain alone (and yes, it still delivers the same power figures through the same nine-speed multi-clutch gearbox), but in practice it also feels a little sharper in its actions. Gears appear to slip through more cleanly and deliberately than before, and the motor’s torque characteristics and response seem brighter"
or if you prefer read: https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/mercedes-benz/e63-s
I have been most keen to find out if the added comfort has ben noticeable. Watching the vids, it has, but it´s quite subtle (The harsh ride was something that worried me). It seems that you really need to get used to the new steering wheel controls. And what I find a little bit interesting, reading the topgear article the raw performance maybe has improved a little bit(?).
"I have been most keen to find out if the added comfort has ben noticeable. Watching the vids, it has, but it´s quite subtle. It seems that you really need to get used to the new steering wheel controls. And what I find a little bit interesting, reading the topgear article the raw performance maybe has improved a little bit.
Which is still a deeply, ridiculously fast car. AMG may claim to have left the powertrain alone (and yes, it still delivers the same power figures through the same nine-speed multi-clutch gearbox), but in practice it also feels a little sharper in its actions. Gears appear to slip through more cleanly and deliberately than before, and the motor’s torque characteristics and response seem brighter"
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AMG may claim to have left the powertrain alone (and yes, it still delivers the same power figures through the same nine-speed multi-clutch gearbox), but in practice it also feels a little sharper in its actions. Gears appear to slip through more cleanly and deliberately than before, and the motor’s torque characteristics and response seem brighter"[/QUOTE]
Interesting note above. I posted a video comparison about the pre-facelift and facelift version shift speed. I used autotopnls video, see below. The facelift looks like it has a saw like hesitation especially 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. It seems to stop for a split second while the car shifts. Look from 2:30 in the video. It could be the particulate filter or it wasn't warmed up, new car, etc. But somewhat relieved by this.
Interesting note above. I posted a video comparison about the pre-facelift and facelift version shift speed. I used autotopnls video, see below. The facelift looks like it has a saw like hesitation especially 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. It seems to stop for a split second while the car shifts. Look from 2:30 in the video. It could be the particulate filter or it wasn't warmed up, new car, etc. But somewhat relieved by this.
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The horses are now in the barn, 2019 E63s
While I can appreciate new videos of guys accelerating the car and running it on the top end I don't find it as useful as a review of its performance on a closed circuit. I'm also more curious to see how the changes fair in the long term however we'll have to give it 9-12 months for that.
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However, I will keep your offer in mind. Thank you.
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My November order is now marked non-changeable in the ordering system. So far, so good. Waiting on the VIN.
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