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It will return but Americans prefer SUVs so they focus on bringing it back to SUVs (GLE 63) first. The GLS 63 I believe is a relatively low seller so they held it for now. Even next gen E (W214) is highly likely to have a V8. It doesn't make sense to downsize when their competitors will still have a V8 for the years to come until the 2035 new vehicles needing to be fully electric mandate in Europe.

 

I'd be careful in assuming the E63 is gonna come back with a V8. While it's currently still on sale in Europe, traditional sedans are falling out of favor. The GT 63/S has been discontinued in favor of the new hybrid GT 63 E Performance. It's the only GT 63 for now. Insane power, but at 5300 lbs the curb weight is ridiculous. Just went on sale in Europe, but no information about a US release yet. 29 mpg combined, so the E63 won't do the fleet average any favors. They are actively shrinking the model line up. A Class is gone in the US. C and E coupes supposedly are gonna be combined into a new CLE. The E may stay and there might be an E 63 E Performance, but I wouldn't count on a pure V8.

 

Um... true then guess I will just hope things work out instead of just assuming.

 

Pretty confident it will come back. Seems like current owners are the ones downplaying the possibility.

 

Should I sell my e63 asap?

 

I plan to keep my wagon for a long time. Regardless of whether there is another E63S V8 in the future, I believe that MB has publicly stated that their direction is EV in countries where it's practical. I like my current vehicle for its overall capabilities and capacity. When there is a comparable EV wagon or SUV that hits these points I will seriously look at changing. I just don't see that happening in the next 2 or 3 years.

 

Why would you do that when scarcity is ramping up?

 

IMO, the current prices for E63s or even the G63s are at the peak now.
$100k premium on the G-Wagen are going to be over soon and get closer to "normal".

 

I think of a vehicle more of something to be enjoyed instead of just an asset with a price tag but not everyone thinks my way. For those who have an C/E/S 63 or any other V8 vehicle my advise is to keep it, the smiles per miles is totally worth it (in my opinion).

 

If you sell your vehicle, you will have a difficult time finding a good replacement, I heard of buyer's remorse a lot but please don't have seller's remorse.

 

Agree, it’s not about the money….

 

I'm never selling this E63s. This could very well be the last V8 AMG E class.

Hold on to them!

 

I don't know when I'll be willing to make the switch to an EV. If it's just an A to B daily, then perhaps sooner, but EVs just don't offer a driving experience and I'm about the journey more than the destination. At a minimum, the performance they offer has to become more usable. What I mean by that is that it can't run out of juice in the middle of a deserted canyon road driving hard. Range is ok for daily duties and even some longer trips these days, but that is if they are driven sensible. Wanna use all that performance for more than occasionally sacring your passengers, then the lack of energy density becomes an issue. Need 5 minute charging times and have a comparable range on the boil as I get out of my AMG. Otherwise what's the point if I can't take it to my favorite remote canyons and run out of juice before I even get there.

 

Not good... Read some German blog sites that was mentioned in the "E Class Sold Out?" thread on mbworld.org and they claim they are pretty confident the W214 E 63 will be getting an M 139. Not good news whatsoever. I hope that information is not at all accurate.

 

I just don't see that. For the C class yes but not a $150k supersled. More likely is the the same power plant being tested now in the S63e. I'd guess that gets rolled out for most current 63 trims for S, G, GLS, etc.

 

Yeah I agree it doesn’t make sense, particularly given that the AMG V8 e-performance drivetrain was initially developed on the E platform for the AMG GT (same platform/chassis), so we know it fits.

I’m more concerned that they just axe the AMG E V8’s altogether for the time being, then maybe bring them back with the hybrid e-performance V8 drivetrain on the W214? AMG E’s are low volume, so I would guess they are low priority models. I’m thinking this because it wasn’t encouraging to see them omit E’s altogether in the AMG V8 reboot announcement. SUVs obviously take priority…Insert heavy eye-roll. Its a shame.

 

I know the E63 wagons are low volume but sedans I thought had pretty good numbers globally. Anybody ever see production data for those?

 

Before I say anything else, I wanna say I love my ‘21 E63S and its TT V8. But in all honesty, I don’t care if it’s the last V8. I used to have a first gen raptor that had a V8. Ford went with a TT V6 for its second gen and it outperformed the first gen in every way. I personally experienced it as I owned a second gen also. I also had an E92 BMW M3 with a V8 and it got replaced by an F82 M4 with a TT I6. Again, the replacement outperformed it’s predecessor in just about every way as I owned both. We have already seen that EV generally outperforms ICE. If the next gen E63 outperforms it’s predecessor then I don’t really care if it’s a V6 or all electric or hybrid. While I love the V8, let’s not get all caught up in this being the last V8. Let’s just hope (and I’m confident) that the next gen will outperform this one. This seems similar to someone saying I’m gonna stay with this carburetor because everything is becoming fuel injected. Don’t get me wrong, if you want the classic V8 and don’t care about newer car technology then this may certainly be the last car for that. I myself have a 67 Camaro and love it. But it certainly will never outperform my current E63S or even many of my previous cars that had less cylinders. Now comes all the negative comments on my post. Ha.

 

Well said, my friend.
Comes down to personal preference and nobody should be offended because of that.

 

I don't think we need to hope the next E63 will outperform the current gen because it absolutely will, just as has been the case for about every subsequent generation of any car model. But at least for me, that's totally beside the point. If I had to have the best-performing vehicle available, then I'd be driving a Tesla Model S Plaid or perhaps M5 CS, but I'm not interested in either for various non-performance reasons. Using your other examples, I vastly prefer the E46 and E92 M3 to the subsequent generations. A good friend of mine had a Raptor V8 that we loved to pieces, but he then drove the new V6 version and said no way––he liked everything but the sound. For me, the best-performing vehicles are those that I enjoy driving and owning, spec sheets be damned. I can't be alone here, as evidenced by the booming classic/modern classic enthusiast-car market. Some people (enthusiasts mainly) aren't happy about the direction modern automobiles are going. I suppose we'll all get over it in time, but that's how it is for now. A bumpy transition period perhaps.

I think the E63 looks great, sounds great, handles great, has plenty of space (wagon) and has been relatively reliable, all wrapped up in a modern package with great technology. For me, it's a real sweet-spot vehicle that I have an absolute BLAST driving. I've driven several Teslas and other EVs and they're very impressive, but I also find them rather sterile and my car-enthusiast friends that have owned them long term found they eventually got bored of them. Then there's Mercedes own hybrid drivetrains, which have (so far) been really problematic. Go check out the GLE/GLS forums. Not only complex, the hybrid drivetrains are also very heavy. So, I'm sure an 800hp E63 hybrid will be lightning fast, but will it be worth it, on balance, with less reliability and all the negative effects of another 400-500lbs? Dunno, but I'm a little skeptical at this point.

Nothing wrong with your position at all, just thought I'd add mine to the conversation!

 

+ a million. Very well said. I really don't care about outright performance title, that battle is lost to EVs in a straight line and soon tracks. It is in fact the package, the emotions they evoke and (especially for me) the sound.

 

The interior sound on the 2021 E63S is artificial through the speakers. You could just record that and play it back in your next EV.

 

There was a thread about using speakers, but don’t remember what was the final word on this. People were experimenting with turning on and off speakers, but sound did not change?
Do we have the proof of fake sound via speakers?

How do we explain the tuned down sound on facelift, if it is only internal via speakers?
There was recent discussion on this board: people were saying it was done to meet environmental requirements…. I.e. external audible sound

 

I did read a thread about C 63s (especially facelift) have pumped in audio, someone found it out by pulling a fuse and another noticed it once they had a blown speaker and the car sounded weird as a result, fixed after a speaker replacement.

No word on the E 63s though.