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I wanted to get your take on moving out of my 2021 E63 wagon and into a 2019 I have found locally with the same build as my current car. I have had an offer for my car close to what I paid.
In hopes that someone out there has had both, is there a discernible difference in the facelift car? I know the basics (no touchscreen comes to mind first). The money seems to make sense.
Thanks in advance.
Pic of my current car
Last edited by BenjaminElias; Dec 7, 2022 at 08:51 PM.
Wow. Very hard to find pre-facelift cars with ceramic brakes. Upsides and downsides, of course, but now you'll have the cool clock, better exhaust, and more aesthetically pleasing (to my eyes) front grille. Best of luck!
I wanted to get your take on moving out of my 2021 E63 wagon and into a 2019 I have found locally with the same build as my current car. I have had an offer for my car close to what I paid.
In hopes that someone out there has had both, is there a discernible difference in the facelift car? I know the basics (no touchscreen comes to mind first). The money seems to make sense.
Thanks in advance.
Pic of my current car
I think the sound gain in the pre-facelift compared to facelift alone is worth it depending on if your market has OPF or not. Others also prefer the pre-facelift headlights, bumper etc. same applies to the rear in the form of taillights, etc. All certainly personal preference, just make sure to get a PPI on the car you are getting.
2024 AMG EQE SUV , 2021 E63S Wagon - gone, 2018 E63S Sedan - gone
Originally Posted by BenjaminElias
Hi all.
I wanted to get your take on moving out of my 2021 E63 wagon and into a 2019 I have found locally with the same build as my current car. I have had an offer for my car close to what I paid.
In hopes that someone out there has had both, is there a discernible difference in the facelift car? I know the basics (no touchscreen comes to mind first). The money seems to make sense.
Thanks in advance.
Pic of my current car
You've already addressed the MBUX issues the rest others have commented on, but also the ride is going to be harsher in Comfort mode, no dash cam, no virtual reality in the navigation and some other minor differences such as the wireless charging for phones being smaller on the 2019. You will loose the traffic and nav updates as they become subscription after 3 years. I do like the FL front--end with its more aggressive look.
If it's basically the same build (no big changes like color, brakes, etc), and you are indifferent about the facelift aesthetics...I can't see the swap making any sense without a whole lot of money. The 2019 will be worth less than your facelift when you go to sell...so just put a value on what you think that price difference will be in the future and deduct it from the cash you are netting from this swap.
If I were doing that exercise, I would guess that maybe I'd sell the car in 4 years and that the resale premium I forfeited will be worth about $10k at that time.
Now, if there is something of meaning (besides the cash) that you would get out of this trade down (color, preferred styling, etc.) then you don't need to get out your crystal ball at all, you just got to go get the car you actually want .
The trade sounds like handing in a T-shirt you bought new and getting the same thing again at a thrift store. Except a car is more complex and you bought new wasn't abused or neglected unless you did so intentionally yourself.
If it's basically the same build (no big changes like color, brakes, etc), and you are indifferent about the facelift aesthetics...I can't see the swap making any sense without a whole lot of money. The 2019 will be worth less than your facelift when you go to sell...so just put a value on what you think that price difference will be in the future and deduct it from the cash you are netting from this swap.
If I were doing that exercise, I would guess that maybe I'd sell the car in 4 years and that the resale premium I forfeited will be worth about $10k at that time.
Now, if there is something of meaning (besides the cash) that you would get out of this trade down (color, preferred styling, etc.) then you don't need to get out your crystal ball at all, you just got to go get the car you actually want .
Funny I was thinking of going the other way.
I bought a 2018 wagon 18 months ago.
37K miles.
Has been a dream to drive and own - really only a weekend driver so still at 41K miles.
Wondering whether I sell on and buy the most recent / low mileage pre-face lift (prefer the look) I can find and keep it for a long time adding only a few K miles each year.
But the math doesn't really make sense.
^^^If you don't mind slightly rougher ride quality, 2019 was the sweet spot. I'd buy one but can never find a great spec.
Just curious why you consider the 2019 the sweet spot. Only asking because I just bought a ‘19. For me it was because I liked the updated steering wheel, heated steering wheel, track pace app with performance pages seems cool, and I try to get as far away from the earlier builds as possible. So it was priced somewhat ok.
My AMG Wagon was recently in the shop for over 65-days. Active Steering Assist stopped working after Service A. ABQ dealer provided a brand new GLC300 loaner. During my ordeal submitted claim for Buyback from MBUSA. Dealer finally repaired my 2021...essentially have a brand new steering wheel including all the modules; after all the switches were replaced the car was good as new and picked up my Wagon last month. Had them also replace both the 12V Starter and Aux Batteries that I paid for at their cost since the car was sitting so long while the Shop Forman was waiting on parts under direction from MB Tech Center.
Last Thursday got a call back from MBUSA in Atlanta GA. They knew my car was repaired in New Mexico but still offered me a Buyback or option to keep MY Car plus $5000 cash for my GLC night terrors on the River Styx and for ruining my hunting plans in South Carolina and visiting older very senior relatives on Long Island and Chincoteague, VA.
I took the $5K option behind curtain #2 TO KEEP MY SPEC that I waited 15-months for! If I took the Buyback and paid off the remaining balance of Auto Loan options were limited...too late for a 2023 Build and didn't want to roll the dice on a CPO with better exhaust note, better steering wheel, CCBs, and that iconic IWC analog clock.
Good Luck OP with your decision...
Last edited by Drone_S213; Dec 12, 2022 at 11:51 AM.
^^^If you don't mind slightly rougher ride quality, 2019 was the sweet spot. I'd buy one but can never find a great spec.
Although there are many things I prefer on the refresh (e.g., ride quality day-to-day, steering wheel, trackpad, screens)...
Off the top of my head:
1) 2019 last year pre-refresh
2) Feels more authentic AMG to me, including better sounding exhaust
3) Front-end is infinitely better looking to my eyes. More honest, modest and balanced.
4) IWC clock, 2nd sun visor, driver controls for passenger seat (idiotic to remove these).
5) Less cumbersome MBUX. Less tech the better for me.
Last edited by ocdbroker; Dec 10, 2022 at 12:16 PM.
Although there are many things I prefer on the refresh (e.g., ride quality day-to-day, steering wheel, trackpad, screens)...
Off the top of my head:
1) 2019 last year pre-refresh
2) Feels more authentic AMG to me, including better sounding exhaust
3) Front-end is infinitely better looking to my eyes. More honest, modest and balanced.
4) IWC clock, 2nd sun visor, driver controls for passenger seat (idiotic to remove these).
5) Less cumbersome MBUX. Less tech the better for me.
2020 is the last year of pre facelift.
6) steering wheel from 2019-2020 is the goat steering wheel , imho.
7) performance seats still available
Last edited by RevisionCuda; Dec 10, 2022 at 05:05 PM.
I wanted to get your take on moving out of my 2021 E63 wagon and into a 2019 I have found locally with the same build as my current car. I have had an offer for my car close to what I paid.
In hopes that someone out there has had both, is there a discernible difference in the facelift car? I know the basics (no touchscreen comes to mind first). The money seems to make sense.
Thanks in advance.
Pic of my current car
How much do you want for your '21? And how many miles on odometer? I'm sure some lurker would snag it on the Marketplace. I had to wash and wax my Wagon yesterday after checking out your pretty...lol
Last edited by Drone_S213; Dec 12, 2022 at 11:48 AM.
How much do you want for your '21? And how many miles on odometer? I'm sure some lurker would snag it on the Marketplace. I had to wash and wax my Wagon yesterday after checking out your pretty...lol
Pretty sure he listed it on Autotrader…$160k with less than 8k miles.
I have the MY20 S213 wagon with CCB and every options available for the wagon except hud and have driven my friend’s MY21 S213 without CCB and can confirm the sounds on exhaust are better on the MY18-MY20 than the facelift and the suspension is a softer ride on the preface E63s. Like others have mentioned, the IWC clock and other features were missing on the facelift models.
Personally, both me and my friend both think the preface is the way to go imho.
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