Is that a bit on the lower end?

They set them way higher in the tire shop and they were following the specs on the fuel cap but it does feel high to me

They are about 52 in the front and about 45 in the rear currently and they go even higher when hot!

 

Well, that’s way too high . In this forum, i have not seen anyone who had this high of a setup.

of course, if that works for you, i wont judge. 😊

note: 50’s is pretty well the maximum allowed on a cold tire. Be careful.

 

I agree, it does seem very high and I did t set them on these tires, but have you looked at the recommendations on the fuel cap? They’re very high

 

yes.

I never set that at all (i am always running at 1/2 load 99% of the time). Even my dealer said that’s crazy high.


by googling the Michelin AS4 tire picture. The sidewall shows “Maximum pressure 50 psi”. Therefore, you are running the risk of tire failure (especially in hot and high speed). Please tell your tire shop that as they should have checked that before putting that much air

if you are to do another set of 4s or the new S5, the maximum tire pressure on the tire says the same … 50psi.

 

Discontinued PA4 ordered! I got the last 4 in 275/40R19 today.

I decided on 275/40 R19 as they are taller then the 265/40. Anything in /45 was just way too tall or too skinny.

I almost got 285 or 295 for the rear but was worried about them floating on the snow. Anyone have experience?

The price was the same as the PA5 but having owned both I prefer the older tire. It seemed to work better in slush and snow and has a higher speed rating to boot.

 

Hi all, I'm researching winter wheel and tire setups and am curious for input. Based on others' experience detailed above in this thread, I'm aiming to go with the 19" forged MB wheels and PA4 tires recommended here, but my question is: square or staggered setup?

The wagon is going to be my ski car, and family car when roads are bad (we don't want to bother swapping out the all-seasons on our other, leased, car). That means thousands of winter miles per year. Colorado's mountains get plenty of snow but we're well equipped to clear it quickly, meaning between snow traction and ice traction, ice is the priority.

My research so far suggests the following advantages for each setup:

Staggered pros:
- wider rears appeal to the inner caveman
- both front and back are sold as assemblies with the PA4 (as far as I can tell)
- assemblies are cheaper than buying wheel, tire, and TPMS separately

Square pros:
- potentially better ice traction (same weight over a smaller patch = treads / sipes dig in more)? though you could just as easily argue larger contact patch = more traction
- ability to rotate tires, alleviating uneven wear concerns given the front's heavy camber = more life = less spending on tires long term

Given all that, some questions:
1. anyone know if the 19x9.5 ET52 rear wheels (for square setup) are sold as wheel/tire/TPMS assemblies?
2. any experience-based thoughts on whether a wider or skinnier tire has better ice traction?
3. other thoughts?

 

1. If it was bought from dealer or specialized mb parts shops, then it usually came as a fully completed set.

2. I had a 19” square setup. It’s winter, I don’t want a wider 295 tire in the rear. It’s really a personal preference.

 

So... I opted for a staggered setup package from MB. Maybe below helps?

• I'm in Michigan and our winters have been somewhat lame, thus staggered anticipating more dry pavement days.
• The backup plan was to order a pair of rears for 'square' if I wasn't happy.
• My wagon is my daily driver 'light'... if it's total crap weather and I have things to do I take my GMC.
• I do not regret my decision, and have been through some serious winter storms/weather with staggered... the car does what it's supposed to do.
• IF I were in your situation as described above, I'd probably do square. It's about getting there with confidence, not a race.

Shameless plug: The winter tire package from MB is no foolin. Not cheap - but from my dealer it came with a decent warranty/road hazard program and looks good to boot. They also handle seasonal swaps and storage for marginal money. There are likely ways to work around for less money - but we're driving cars that are not cheap to buy, own or maintain... Zero regrets here. Happy to provide more details if that would be helpful.
Winter shoes are fun; Cheers!

 

Thanks @bobblehead and @wgnlust for your input. I ended up ordering a square setup from Original Raeder. Used, but seemingly in great shape, with wheels, tires, and TPMS for a little less than $3k (including shipping, but not including potential tariffs [uggghhhhhhh.......]).

If anyone's interested, they have several more sets available (though only one square setup), both used and new. I'll report back once I receive the setup (they claim 6-8 days from now) as to whether Original Raeder's listings are accurate, and what happens with the tariff situation (again, ugh).

 

Details on the setup?

Just rejoined mbworld (been prob 20 years since my last Benz), but just picked up my 18 E63S wagon yesterday. Now prepping for a winter setup here in CT.

I have CCBs though, so likely need a 20” or would need to test fit if 19’s.

Also, ​​​​​​@ocdbroker , I imagine you sold your oem setup by now, but by chance you never did, I might also be interested in that setup.

 

Hey, I’m in Wilton. Just tried to PM you but can’t it seems.

This is the staggered OEM set up. Mine is an ‘18 Wagon. Non PCCB. Not sure if that makes a difference or not

 

It’s probably because I just registered and there is a min post count to activate PMs.

You can msg me @ Euro.Driver_996 on IG

 

Does anyone know if the OEM 19's Winter set up fits over the PCCB's?

 

I think they technically fit, but the clearance between the caliper and the barrel of the wheel is very close. I was dissuaded from trying 19s on my PCCB wagon after seeing pictures from another user on here who had a failure with this setup. I believe there are others on here who run this combo without issues though.

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...ml#post8882508

 

Yes no issues going on year 3 on factory winter 19's and CCB

 

Reporting back as promised on the Original Raeder purchase.

Pros:
- the wheels are in great shape. Clearly used based on the chips and scratches you'd expect on the back of the wheels, but the wheel faces are honestly in excellent condition. Just looking at them from the front, they could almost pass as new, aside from one chip on the side of a spoke
- the wheels were well packaged for their journey over the Atlantic, with plenty of padding to protect the faces
- the tires' condition was as described. The listing claimed 6-7mm of tread left, and that's exactly what I'm measuring.
- price. Including shipping, customs, and tax, the setup came out to ~$3600. Not bad for looks-like-new wheels and tires I can get a couple seasons out of.

Cons:
- delivery time was 3 weeks. Part of this is my fault for slacking on answering some customs questions, but don't expect 6-8 days like the website says.
- delivery cost was unexpectedly high. In addition to paying for shipping, there are of course customs duties and sales tax, but my bill from Fedex is ~$660, about $200 more than I was expecting given a 15% tariff and 4.5% sales tax at my address. Planning to talk to Fedex to see where that extra cost is coming from.
- two of the tires are strangely shaped, more on this below:

Both the front and rear driver side tires are oddly shaped, with the diameter of the tire towards the inside of the tread being larger than the diameter towards the outside of the tread (see pics, where the tire is clearly taller on one side than the other). I measured and confirmed the wheels are square (the front face and the back face have the same diameter), but I find this especially odd since 1) it's just the driver side tires, and 2) I would expect, if anything, the inside of the tire to have a smaller diameter since we have so much camber. I'm curious to get y'all's opinions on this - is this something to be concerned about?



The tire clearly leans to the left (towards the front face of the wheel).

Level confirms the lean.

 

Did you figure that out? any real issue or more optical illusion?

I still have my winter set up for sale if anyone is interested, I'm in Wilton, CT

 

The tread is definitely not flat, but not because one side is more worn than the other - it's almost like one sidewall is taller than the other. But, I took the tires to a shop and they confirmed that they are mounted properly, and safe to drive on in their opinion. They feel that the weight of the car will even things out, especially given our cars' aggressive camber will put more pressure on the insides of the tires. But, out of an abundance of caution, I may put the winter setup on even while temps are still in the 50s-60s so I can drive around on them, see if I feel any problems, and get a new set of tires if needed before it starts snowing.

 

I have the OEM Winters still available in the FS section if anyone is looking. Based in CT

 

I cannot believe I did not post my work horse here.

Long story short, bought a set of used OEM 2019 E63s wheels that had PS4 on them... purchased the last set of Michelin 295/30-R20 in North America. They are awesome!