Monoblocks 19's are they 12mm or 14mm bolts?
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AMG Monoblocks in 19" size are for the S-Class and CL with 14mm lugbolts. Besides the spacers you would need to modify the brake rotor holes.
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
AMG Monoblocks in 19" size are for the S-Class and CL with 14mm lugbolts. Besides the spacers you would need to modify the brake rotor holes.
AMG Monoblocks in 19" size are for the S-Class and CL with 14mm lugbolts. Besides the spacers you would need to modify the brake rotor holes.
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Originally posted by scorchie
I believe the brake rotor holes actually have enough clearance. On the other hand, the hub holes must be redrilled and threaded for M14. If the rotors don't have enouch clearance, then that part is a 5 minute job per corner.
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I believe the brake rotor holes actually have enough clearance. On the other hand, the hub holes must be redrilled and threaded for M14. If the rotors don't have enouch clearance, then that part is a 5 minute job per corner.
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
Yes you would need to redrill the rotor holes. Otherwise you can not screw a 14mm bolt into a 12mm hole.
Yes you would need to redrill the rotor holes. Otherwise you can not screw a 14mm bolt into a 12mm hole.
Some rotors will have enough clearance; others will not. It depends on your car and what rotors are installed! I just measured a C280 and its clearance was 13mm. Expanding this hole to 14mm would take about... 30 seconds... for all five.
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Man, I think the number one question on the Tire & Wheel section is guys trying to mount wheels that do not have the correct fitment. Over and over we answer the same thing. If my answer is not sufficient read the reply from Luke@Tirerack:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=31299
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Originally posted by scorchie
This is where your misconception lies. The bolts do not SCREW into the rotor. They only PASS THROUGH the rotor and screw into the hub. The hubs must be redrilled, then tapped for M14. The rotors have large holes in them already, and I believe the holes are large (in some cases) enough to accept an M14 passing through. Wheels that accept M12 bolts generally have large enough holes (called "clearance") for M14 bolts, it's just that the seat is the wrong type.
Some rotors will have enough clearance; others will not. It depends on your car and what rotors are installed! I just measured a C280 and its clearance was 13mm. Expanding this hole to 14mm would take about... 30 seconds... for all five.
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This is where your misconception lies. The bolts do not SCREW into the rotor. They only PASS THROUGH the rotor and screw into the hub. The hubs must be redrilled, then tapped for M14. The rotors have large holes in them already, and I believe the holes are large (in some cases) enough to accept an M14 passing through. Wheels that accept M12 bolts generally have large enough holes (called "clearance") for M14 bolts, it's just that the seat is the wrong type.
Some rotors will have enough clearance; others will not. It depends on your car and what rotors are installed! I just measured a C280 and its clearance was 13mm. Expanding this hole to 14mm would take about... 30 seconds... for all five.
-s-
1. use spacers
2. modify the rotors/hubs
To most people the hub is the center piece and the center of the alloy wheel only. For Mercedes the hub size 66.56mm.
Saying 'Rotor' is correct because to the non-mechanic it is where the 5 lugbolts screw into. The hub is just that center piece that goes into the center of the Alloy Wheel. The average owner is not going to re-drill his 'holes' and then have problems latter on and then trying to mount the spare won't work, etc.:
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
regardless of SEMANTICS! It requires some 'modification' to bolt 14mm wheels on 12mm rotors, hubs whatever. The question is usually can I do this and the answer is and always was 'No' unless you:
1. use spacers
2. modify the rotors/hubs
To most people the hub is the center piece and the center of the alloy wheel only. For Mercedes the hub size 66.56mm.
Saying 'Rotor' is correct because to the non-mechanic it is where the 5 lugbolts screw into. The hub is just that center piece that goes into the center of the Alloy Wheel. The average owner is not going to re-drill his 'holes' and then have problems latter on and then trying to mount the spare won't work, etc.:
regardless of SEMANTICS! It requires some 'modification' to bolt 14mm wheels on 12mm rotors, hubs whatever. The question is usually can I do this and the answer is and always was 'No' unless you:
1. use spacers
2. modify the rotors/hubs
To most people the hub is the center piece and the center of the alloy wheel only. For Mercedes the hub size 66.56mm.
Saying 'Rotor' is correct because to the non-mechanic it is where the 5 lugbolts screw into. The hub is just that center piece that goes into the center of the Alloy Wheel. The average owner is not going to re-drill his 'holes' and then have problems latter on and then trying to mount the spare won't work, etc.:
I am sorry you don't have enough mechanical background to realize that the HUB is the piece which is attached to the wheel bearings. This piece has a protrusion that a "hubcentric" wheel uses. The hole in the alloy wheel is not a HUB, it is the CENTER BORE (size 66.6mm to fit over the 66.56mm HUB).
Even from your poor quality photograph one can see that the rotor sits on top of another piece of metal that actually has the threads.
Usually the rotor is where the wheel studs are pressed, because it has an integral hub that holds the races for the bearings. But that's not a Mercedes. A Mercedes has a separate rotor and hub.
I presume that since you are answerings people's questions, you are somewhat interested in helping to disseminate information and knowledge amongst the forum members. If you do have that desire, I believe that the desire should encompass the desire to spread TRUE information. In that regard, you may wish to use the correct terms in your answers. It would probably eliminate a lot of problems with people who don't know, and these long interactions with people who do.
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Originally posted by scorchie
Even from your poor quality photograph one can see that the rotor sits on top of another piece of metal that actually has the threads.
Usually the rotor is where the wheel studs are pressed, because it has an integral hub that holds the races for the bearings. But that's not a Mercedes. A Mercedes has a separate rotor and hub.
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Even from your poor quality photograph one can see that the rotor sits on top of another piece of metal that actually has the threads.
Usually the rotor is where the wheel studs are pressed, because it has an integral hub that holds the races for the bearings. But that's not a Mercedes. A Mercedes has a separate rotor and hub.
-s-
The main point is that the wheels from a S-Class do not simply bolt-on to a C-Class and that some modifications are required to increase the 12mm lugbolt 'holes' to utilize a 14mm lugbolt.
If you use the 12mm bolts on the wheels with 14mm seats there still may be a problems of bolt lossening.
How people use semantic and discriptions are different - I am trying to decribe the part of the cars running gear that needs to be modified and yes I said Brake Rotor because the wheel is bolted directly to the brake rotor, however, you should not state a car is not a Mercedes when you don't know what you are talking about.
No Semantics involved here, you are simply wrong. Thanks for stating that my "poor quality photograph" of the wheel well from my 2002 E55 AMG is not a Mercedes?
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Originally posted by E55 KEV
Scorchie, thanks for the more technical clarification. But regardless of what semantics or words I used you must agree that some sort of modification is required.
The main point is that the wheels from a S-Class do not simply bolt-on to a C-Class and that some modifications are required to increase the 12mm lugbolt 'holes' to utilize a 14mm lugbolt.
If you use the 12mm bolts on the wheels with 14mm seats there still may be a problems of bolt lossening.
How people use semantic and discriptions are different - I am trying to decribe the part of the cars running gear that needs to be modified and yes I said Brake Rotor because the wheel is bolted directly to the brake rotor, however, you should not state a car is not a Mercedes when you don't know what you are talking about.
No Semantics involved here, you are simply wrong. Thanks for stating that my "poor quality photograph" of the wheel well from my 2002 E55 AMG is not a Mercedes?
Scorchie, thanks for the more technical clarification. But regardless of what semantics or words I used you must agree that some sort of modification is required.
The main point is that the wheels from a S-Class do not simply bolt-on to a C-Class and that some modifications are required to increase the 12mm lugbolt 'holes' to utilize a 14mm lugbolt.
If you use the 12mm bolts on the wheels with 14mm seats there still may be a problems of bolt lossening.
How people use semantic and discriptions are different - I am trying to decribe the part of the cars running gear that needs to be modified and yes I said Brake Rotor because the wheel is bolted directly to the brake rotor, however, you should not state a car is not a Mercedes when you don't know what you are talking about.
No Semantics involved here, you are simply wrong. Thanks for stating that my "poor quality photograph" of the wheel well from my 2002 E55 AMG is not a Mercedes?
However, please reread my post... I said that it in your photograph, it is clear that the rotor is not where the bolt attaches.
In the NEXT paragraph, I stated that it is not a Mercedes where the wheel stud attaches to the rotor... no reference to the photograph. I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough for you!
It's clear from your photograph that you have those massive (and heavy) AMG brakes on the E55, and I don't think anyone would try to fit those to another brand of vehicle. I like the color you've painted them though! tP has the same color on his E55 brakes mounted to his C280, except he painted the AMG logo white.
OK, you win, you've made it clear that semantics and reading aren't that important to you. It's too bad we won't be able to share information, because I thought you might have had some useful experiences.
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P.S.: It will all be moot when the 12mm lugs with 14mm ball seats become available... soon.
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Originally posted by scorchie
P.S.: It will all be moot when the 12mm lugs with 14mm ball seats become available... soon.
P.S.: It will all be moot when the 12mm lugs with 14mm ball seats become available... soon.
Hey, that is interesting - 12mm bolts with 14mm heads. Any idea when those will be availalble? Is this item coming from Mercedes? That sounds like a great idea - wonder why no one thought of that before! Maybe a machine shop could make some custom ones. I guess anything is possible. Thanks for the update.
