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BRAKE Pad, Rotors, & Calipers Discussion Thread (OEM, aftermarket, etc...)

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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 09:35 PM
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Speaking of the thread that the OP referenced about the brake squeal service bulletin. I have had trouble with the dealerships, the service bulletin makes it sound like the dealership will put on the brake paste or replace the pads if that doesn't work under warranty. But a few dealerships have said that the brakes are only warranted for 12 months/12,000 miles which I already knew. However, why the service bulletin as of 9-20-2007 discussing this issue, this is not new info. If there is anyone familiar with how this system works or any MB service people here, please let me know what you think.

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but no one is responding in the other one.

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I uploaded the actual service document for anyone to see. Go to this link and scroll down and wait, it will let you download it.

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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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definatly wait till the brake pad wear light comes on! i drove over 1000 miles after the light came on and still had some wear to go when i changed my front pads and rotors. ended up getting ebc red stuff ceramic pads and new oem rotors, $124 each from the dealership. they threw in the new sensor for free.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 09:13 PM
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Morse Ceramic Brake Pad Install/Review....wooo, no more dust!!!!

Even though my '06 C230 didn't really need new brakes, I could not stand dealing with the dust from the OEM pads any more, and after a couple of months of trying to find dustless pads for the '05 and newer sport package cars, was finally able to get the new Morse ceramic pads from Auto Value Parts store. These were just released last month and even had the product manager at Morse help me get them. It seems that almost all of the big chain stores take up to a month to get their computer listings of new parts updated. Morse shipped out the pads to Auto Zone, Advance and Auto Value in early September but I could not get anyone to order them without them being in the system.

Auto Value came to the rescue and got the pads and new Zimmerman rotors in less than three days and were very helpfull. Pads were $64 although I'm not sure what the other stores will be charging. I was told that none of the stores will be stocking them in the beginning, so you will need to have them ordered through the Vendor Direct Program under the part #CMX1121 for Auto Value or #1121C for Auto Zone or Advance. The internal sku # for Auto Zone is 029112. Morse makes almost all of the pads that these three retailers carry and may be listed as Friction Master Brakes or Morse.




Installation was a breeze thanks to a couple of threads in the Sticky section here and while I was at it, I painted the calipers silver using G2 caliper paint kit. (Note: if you are going to use a metalic colored G2 kit on your calipers, buy a PreVal spray unit and spray it on instead of using the provided brush. The brush leaves nasty streaks and they are now reccomending to spray the metalic colors. They have a short bit on the instruction video in their web site that shows how.)



New black Mercedes Benz lettering from http://www.xenonmods.com/ will be put on after I sand and reaply a couple of spray coats this weekend. They also made some really cool custom ///M logo decals for my wifes car from an .eps file that I sent them. Very helpfull company!

The only hard part was getting the 17mm bolts out that hold the caliper on the bracket, but if you are only doing pads, you won't have to worry about this. I would suggest an impact gun to remove them if you have that option. The metal clips that come with the pads do not have an adhesive on one side like the palstic bag says and I ended up applying a liberal coating of brake grease between the clips and pads and let them sit for a while. I also needed to buy a T30 torx bit for my 3/8" ratchet as I could not get the rotor retaining screw out with a normal screw driver type driver. Worth the $6.

I broke in the pads just like the Zeckhausen site suggests and was surprised at how hot the rotors got during the process. You could smell the pads breaking in just like they said you would and the car stopped straight as an arrow every time from 60 to 10 and I did it at least 6 or 7 times. Absolutly no brake squeal so far and after 500 miles, the rear OEM pads have produced more dust that the new Morse front pads. Stopping is greatly improved, although some of that may be due to the OEM pads being some what worn after 20k miles. As I have done brakes on a few car now, I should have more confidence in my abilities, but for some reason as I was pulling out of the garage and drove down the street for the first time, I wondered if the car would really stop if I had to slam on the brakes.

All in all, I think that the Morse ceramic pads are worth every penny and are a great alternative to the more expensive EBC and Porterfields. Now if they would just get the ones for the rear done, I would be in heaven!

I will post some pictures of the calipers when I get the lettering on this weekend.

Thanks to MIG888 for the great DIY install review!!! It would have taken a lot longer if I had not read that first!

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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 10:03 PM
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Do they make any to fit the 2004 c230kss?
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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Their web site shows that they do, but you can go to their web site and check for yourself if you like. Here's a link..............http://www.morseauto.com
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 08:59 PM
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did the pads come predrilled with a hole for the brake sensor wire?
i'm looking into getting some for my c240!
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 09:34 PM
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Uhh, who are you, and how many stops have you made on the pads? Please, do us all a favor. Break them in prior to comments. Ancillary is essentially worthless.

I do however appreciate the part numbers.

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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by emrliquidlife
…How many stops have you made on the pads?...
Are your Porterfield R4-S pads not doing the job for you anymore?

Originally Posted by SteveL1
…I broke in the pads just like the Zeckhausen site suggests and was surprised at how hot the rotors got during the process. You could smell the pads breaking in just like they said you would and the car stopped straight as an arrow every time from 60 to 10 and I did it at least 6 or 7 times. Absolutly no brake squeal so far and after 500 miles...
Good post, SteveL1.
Kinda nice not having to deal with the customary MB brake dust and enjoying improved deceleration, as well.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 12:48 AM
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Yes they came with the hole for the sensor, although it was a little tight. Could have cleaned it out a little with a drill bit, but my sensor fit.



Originally Posted by emrliquidlife
Uhh, who are you, and how many stops have you made on the pads? Please, do us all a favor. Break them in prior to comments. Ancillary is essentially worthless.

I do however appreciate the part numbers.

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Well, I'm just a modest '06 C230 owner that is trying to give others an option to spending almost $200 for Porterfields and I have made plenty of stops on the brakes after driving it over 100 miles a day this past week. They still are wisper quiet and stop as good or better then the OEM. Had to test the limit this morning on the way to work when some jack a$$ started to pull out in front of me. If you had read my post, you would have noticed that I did break them in per the instructions on the Zeckhausen site.

No, I do not work for the company and yes, I would buy them again in a heart beat. As a matter of fact, as soon as the rear pads are available, I will be buying them as well.
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Old Oct 20, 2007 | 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveL1
The Morse ceramic pads that I mentioned above are finally available through AutoValue Auto Parts, AutoZone and Advance. All warehouses have recieved their shipments and they suposidly have updated the computer systems. You will need to order them as they are not going to be stocked in the sotres quite yet. Mine should be here tomorrow or Thursday and I hope to get them on this week end. Price range shoudl be in the $50 to $60. They only offer the fronts right now but are working on the rears.



In my area, Auto Value was the most help. AutoZone and Advance seemed like they only wanted to sell stuff they had in stock. I will give a full review once I get them in.


Woooooot............no more dust in my future!!!!!!
Thanks for the info on Morse will check autozone and Advance auto tomorrow morning...
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Old Oct 21, 2007 | 11:40 PM
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Just a follow up to my post above about painting the calipers. G2 was gracious enough to send me a new silver kit so I could try to get rid of the streaks made with the supplied brush. I bought the Preval spary unit for $6 at a local paint supply and a can of Xylene for clean up.

After splitting the kit in half as all I wanted to do is redo the fronts, I sanded them smooth and got out the compressed air to blow off the dust and the fist layer started to peel. Well, I ended up blowing almost all of the original paint off and found that the paint stuck well to the textured, rear half of the caliper, but not the smooth front half. Maybe it's the coating that Mercedes uses that caused the problem but I'm not sure. So after stripping it all off, I sanded the front half of the caliper with 150 grit paper to give the new paint some tooth.

Sprayed three coats of the new paint and it looks awsome! Very close to what the AMG calipers look like but maybe just a little glosier. Now to let it cure for a couple of days and I will put on the black lettering and take some pics.

Moral of the story is to sand the factory smooth part of the caliper and use the Preval srayer instead of the cheap brush they give you. Neighbors think I'm nuts having the car up on jack stands two weekends in a row! Oh, and aluminum foil makes for a great masking material as you can wrap it around stuff very quickly!

And still no dust to speak of from the new pads!
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Old Oct 22, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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Cool review bro - damn, I have to check out that G2 paint...need a little freshening up. Thanks for the reference! I'm happy it helped =).
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Old Oct 24, 2007 | 10:59 PM
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I just got my Morse ceramic pads from Autozone today and intend to install them this weekend. Thanks to SteveL1's early review, I felt they are worth a try. I paid $45 yesterday for the #872C front pads and at noon today, I got a call that they were in already. They do have the wear sensor hole, but it was too small. I had to drill it slightly larger to fit the sensor all the way in. Looking forward to installing them, with new Zimmerman OEM rotors, this weekend. Rears to be done the week after.
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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I'm getting a nice kick out of the fact that I have yet to hear about the performance of the brakes.

Like:

Initial bite. Say in the morning, what are the first stops like?

Pedal feel and bite.

Brake bias. Did they change the balance of the car in panic stops?

Heat. Are you getting higher heat temps?

So far you like the fact they are low dust. Tell you what. I'm happy to do some side by side testing. I'm running Porterfields R4-S on my Coupe. Lets really get some data. Breaking side by side. Hell, I'll even let you stomp on my car and brake her like she owes you money.

Take it a step further, If I wasn't so concerned about liability I'd offer to do the mechanical work of changing someones brakes from stock to these new pads. Just so we can get some 60-0 numbers.

I'm excited about the idea of these brakes, but want to encourage people to make decisions based on real world performance.

Maybe I'm too old or something, but I have seen brake fads come and go.

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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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Heat. Are you getting higher heat temps?
I'd be happy to report the temp of the Morse ceramic pads if I had a way to measure it
What is the temp of the stock pads?
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Moon-Coupe
I'd be happy to report the temp of the Morse ceramic pads if I had a way to measure it
What is the temp of the stock pads?
Page 54 has temperature testing paint-
http://www.porterfield-brakes.com/catalog.pdf

Quick, cheap, and easy-
http://mitchellinstrument.net/mm5/me...egory_Code=N1D
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 11:31 PM
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Old Oct 25, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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OK, I will try to answer some of your questions after having two whole weeks under my belt with the Morse pads.


Originally Posted by emrliquidlife
I'm getting a nice kick out of the fact that I have yet to hear about the performance of the brakes.

Like:

Initial bite. Say in the morning, what are the first stops like?

Initial bite is very good. At least as good as OEM. Can not compare to Porterfields as I've never tried them.

Pedal feel and bite.

Pedal feel is very good. Seems to take the same amount of effort as OEM. Should it be less? As far as bite goes, all I can say is that I've had to apply the binders pretty hard a couple of times and I've not hit anything yet. ABS has kicked in a couple of times on wet street just like the OEM did. I mean, I am driving a stock C230, and not a C55 with 8 piston calipers and stainless brake lines you know.

Brake bias. Did they change the balance of the car in panic stops?

Bias has not changed a bit. Panic stops are straight as an arrow.

Heat. Are you getting higher heat temps?

I don't think I'm getting any higher temps, but I've never jumped out of the car and touched the caliper or rotor to check. They did get REALLY hot when I bedded them in per the Zeckhausen instructions, but I would assume that any pad would do that considering doing 7-8 hard stops from 60 to 10 one after another. I don't intend to ever track the car, so I can not speak to the ability to avoid fade.

So far you like the fact they are low dust. Tell you what. I'm happy to do some side by side testing. I'm running Porterfields R4-S on my Coupe. Lets really get some data. Breaking side by side. Hell, I'll even let you stomp on my car and brake her like she owes you money.

If you are in the St. Louis area, I would love to do that. But I would guess that you have a little advantage due to the weight difference in our cars. I never tried to give anyone the idea that Porterfields were bad in any way. Just give the people here an alternative that did not cost close to $200. I'm glad you like your pads and if I were'nt such a tight ***, I may have bought them too.

My choice for pads were Porterfield, EBC (which I have had bad luck with in the past) & Morse. No one else is offering ceramic pads for the newer model W203 Sports. To me, the difference in cost was worth trying them out. If I find that they don't last or start loosing performance, I will be the first to change.


Take it a step further, If I wasn't so concerned about liability I'd offer to do the mechanical work of changing someones brakes from stock to these new pads. Just so we can get some 60-0 numbers.

I'm excited about the idea of these brakes, but want to encourage people to make decisions based on real world performance.

Maybe I'm too old or something, but I have seen brake fads come and go.

I doubt if you are older than me. I bet I graduated high school before you were born. Do you remember what the popular TV shows were in 1972? No, we didn't have cable or Direct TV, Heck, we didn't have cell phones or the internet or micro waves for that matter.

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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 12:13 AM
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Quick...yes
Cheap...NO
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As a gearhead whose livelihood is earned with tools, the few dollars necessary to procure a decent infrared thermometer is merely a drop in the bucket. I’m convinced that having the proper tool for the task at hand will invariably recoup its investment many times over.

In addition to brake testing, it’s also utilized for verifying catalytic converter efficiency, establishing ATF temperature for verifying correct fluid level during transmission service, and reading tire tread heat when adjusting inflation, camber, and toe for optimum performance.

If you care to borrow mine, just let me know.
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by splinter
As a gearhead whose livelihood is earned with tools, the few dollars necessary to procure a decent infrared thermometer is merely a drop in the bucket. I’m convinced that having the proper tool for the task at hand will invariably recoup its investment many times over.

In addition to brake testing, it’s also utilized for verifying catalytic converter efficiency, establishing ATF temperature for verifying correct fluid level during transmission service, and reading tire tread heat when adjusting inflation, camber, and toe for optimum performance.

If you care to borrow mine, just let me know.
Spending $100+ would be silly for just this one thing, but now that you mention it, it would be very useful for many other things. Thanks for the offer, I'll be down to pick it up this weekend.
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Old Oct 29, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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Morse and EBC red ceramic pads with rotors installed over the weekend. Still breaking them in but they get better and better with each stop. They already feel better than before.
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I also painted the calipers, I think they came out really nice.
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Old Oct 30, 2007 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Moon-Coupe
Morse and EBC red ceramic pads with rotors installed over the weekend. Still breaking them in but they get better and better with each stop. They already feel better than before.
Attachment 116982

I also painted the calipers, I think they came out really nice.
Looks good. Looking forward to more input on how you guys llike the brakes. Given that we have the same car, it would be good if we did a head to head test. Problem is, you live up North, and I live in CA

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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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Just ordered a set for my C230 SS from the local Auto Zone, the clerk said it was a "dealer only" item, but thanks to SteveL I gave him the sku# he provided and suddenly they were available, only cost $38.99

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Dam that is cheap!!!!! Glad the part #'s helped. Mine are still performing very well and have not had to clean the wheels at all. Now if they would just come out with the rears! I talked to the product manager at Morse last Friday and he said that it would likely be a long time for those as they are in the middle of opening a new plant and that is taking up all their time.
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Old Nov 12, 2007 | 12:33 AM
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Installed my "Morse" brand pads and drove to Riverside Ca. area and back (800+ miles) my wheels are still clean!! Great performance and install was so simple, whole front brake job cost me only $48.00 (original rotors) I also did a brake fluid flush...thanks again SteveL1
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