C240 Perfomance
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A simple thought for everyone... There will always be someone faster. I think that this thread has definitely gone off the topic of its title.
Our UD pulleys are designed to be fully functional on both race and street cars. We have a few thousand sets on BMW's already, and I have yet to hear any complaints. You can even see our name on many World Challenge race cars in effort to thank us for the pulleys. 15HP for $499 is to most a good deal, and on any car you will notice a difference. Because Mercedes chose to use the same engine accessories on all of their motors, C class owners have a better percentage gain than others. 15HP on a 240/320 and 15HP on a 430/500/55 etc.
A downside of this kit is that it underdrive's the alternator, and is not recommended in combination with a large stereo system. This is why BrabusCClass used only the water pump and power steering pump pulleys. We have had a very hot Summer in Southern CA, and I haven't heard anything negative from him. If anyone needs a detailed explanation of how the pulleys work, please refer to his past thread (mentioned above), or call/email me.
Thanks
Ben
Our UD pulleys are designed to be fully functional on both race and street cars. We have a few thousand sets on BMW's already, and I have yet to hear any complaints. You can even see our name on many World Challenge race cars in effort to thank us for the pulleys. 15HP for $499 is to most a good deal, and on any car you will notice a difference. Because Mercedes chose to use the same engine accessories on all of their motors, C class owners have a better percentage gain than others. 15HP on a 240/320 and 15HP on a 430/500/55 etc.
A downside of this kit is that it underdrive's the alternator, and is not recommended in combination with a large stereo system. This is why BrabusCClass used only the water pump and power steering pump pulleys. We have had a very hot Summer in Southern CA, and I haven't heard anything negative from him. If anyone needs a detailed explanation of how the pulleys work, please refer to his past thread (mentioned above), or call/email me.
Thanks
Ben
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OK, here's the real difference that nobody talks about, what does each car cost to own or resale value.
Assuming you got both cars with automatic, bose & power seats equiped the same way in 2001. The price difference between the them was about $3,000 at the time when you add the missing options on the C240. According to KBB.com (Kelly Blue Book) retail value in 90210 Zip with 23,000 miles, a C320 is valued at $38,265 and a C240 is valued at $33,665. So if you got a C240 and kept it two years you would get $4,600 less or in other words it costs $1,600 more to own the C240. Factor in any mods to try to make the C240 a little peppier and you lose even more. Off course if you keep the car until the wheels fall off then the point is moot.
The point being that you should get what you want. If you are concerned that the C240 is inadequate and you are trying to justify with mods it doesn't make financial sense. If you already have a C240 your choices are more limited. Personally both cars are out of my price range so I got the C230.
For you C240 owners, I'm not knocking the C240, just saying that if you buy a C240 to save money with the impression that you can improve performance later you are fooling yourselves.
Assuming you got both cars with automatic, bose & power seats equiped the same way in 2001. The price difference between the them was about $3,000 at the time when you add the missing options on the C240. According to KBB.com (Kelly Blue Book) retail value in 90210 Zip with 23,000 miles, a C320 is valued at $38,265 and a C240 is valued at $33,665. So if you got a C240 and kept it two years you would get $4,600 less or in other words it costs $1,600 more to own the C240. Factor in any mods to try to make the C240 a little peppier and you lose even more. Off course if you keep the car until the wheels fall off then the point is moot.
The point being that you should get what you want. If you are concerned that the C240 is inadequate and you are trying to justify with mods it doesn't make financial sense. If you already have a C240 your choices are more limited. Personally both cars are out of my price range so I got the C230.
For you C240 owners, I'm not knocking the C240, just saying that if you buy a C240 to save money with the impression that you can improve performance later you are fooling yourselves.
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2002 C240 Classic - Orion Blue Beast!!
Originally posted by Buellwinkle
For you C240 owners, I'm not knocking the C240, just saying that if you buy a C240 to save money with the impression that you can improve performance later you are fooling yourselves.
For you C240 owners, I'm not knocking the C240, just saying that if you buy a C240 to save money with the impression that you can improve performance later you are fooling yourselves.
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'02 MB C240 6spd / '92 BMW 325i 5spd
Modding Suggestions
As my first mod for my '02 c240 6spd is going to be the CL grill I already sent an email to mh-dezent.de for the price and shipping. I know most of you dont like the outter edge but once I get it I'm going to color match the car once I get it. I'm going to repaint my hood aswell. Dame those contruction trucks on the turnpike. If anyone live in S. Florida you know what I mean 
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2nd and 3rd I'll get that I'm going to go for the Bi-Xenon lights or the Euro Command.
4th I'll get some rims and drop it at the same time. What size should I get 18s or 19s. I leaning more on 19s(will the ride be hard with this size) What type of rims do you guys suggest? Also what type of springs should I get Eibach, RennTech or other?( I know this has been over killed in the forum
but does not say personal experience)
Then I wanna get the AMG brake kit. Should I get them from the dealer, junkyard or any other place you guys may suggest?
I'm still doing some research on the quad-exhaust. I like the fake exhaust thing IMO. Dunno I might change my mind later on. Difinately I like Wiedermann's setup w/ the C55 quad-exhaust. Should I do a custom job or is there a setup similar to Wiedermann's?
I know performance products is very limited for the C240
. I there anything worth it to give it some 
This is what I have planned for my new pride and joy for now. I'm still trying to create a list for my '92 325i :v If I dont sell it.
Is there any good sites instead of evosport and performance products for our cars?
To do this might take me awhile still running a college budget the hey I'll only live once so might as well do what I enjoy the most modding cars!
Thanks for any suggestions
PeRcY.
.2nd and 3rd I'll get that I'm going to go for the Bi-Xenon lights or the Euro Command.
4th I'll get some rims and drop it at the same time. What size should I get 18s or 19s. I leaning more on 19s(will the ride be hard with this size) What type of rims do you guys suggest? Also what type of springs should I get Eibach, RennTech or other?( I know this has been over killed in the forum
but does not say personal experience)Then I wanna get the AMG brake kit. Should I get them from the dealer, junkyard or any other place you guys may suggest?
I'm still doing some research on the quad-exhaust. I like the fake exhaust thing IMO. Dunno I might change my mind later on. Difinately I like Wiedermann's setup w/ the C55 quad-exhaust
. Should I do a custom job or is there a setup similar to Wiedermann's?I know performance products is very limited for the C240
. I there anything worth it to give it some This is what I have planned for my new pride and joy for now. I'm still trying to create a list for my '92 325i :v If I dont sell it.
Is there any good sites instead of evosport and performance products for our cars?
To do this might take me awhile still running a college budget the hey I'll only live once so might as well do what I enjoy the most modding cars!
Thanks for any suggestions
PeRcY.
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Originally Posted by YoYiTo
....( I know this has been over killed in the forum but does not say personal experience)......Thanks for any suggestions
PeRcY.
but does not say personal experience)......Thanks for any suggestionsPeRcY.
You will not find the number of sites like they exist for
For answers to the rest of your questions use this link
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Let me recap what Andy said may happen since mods are a personal preference:
CL grill, personally I say forget it!!! it doesnt look right on on a sedan totally out of place.
the BIX and COMAND are a definate must have (i have BIX from factory and COMAND retrofit, love em both)
rims ill give you props for if you sitck with 18's 19's
dropping!!!! sorry dont think looks good
AMG brake kit hell yes definately get this mod. i have it and love it. get new not hand me down!
quad-exhaust. research it, its alot of money but if it works for you than
performance products are limited for the 2.6, but the engine is smooth we all have draw backs.
CL grill, personally I say forget it!!! it doesnt look right on on a sedan totally out of place.
the BIX and COMAND are a definate must have (i have BIX from factory and COMAND retrofit, love em both)
rims ill give you props for if you sitck with 18's
19's dropping!!!! sorry dont think looks good
AMG brake kit
hell yes definately get this mod. i have it and love it. get new not hand me down!quad-exhaust. research it, its alot of money but if it works for you than
performance products are limited for the 2.6, but the engine is smooth we all have draw backs.
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brother TICO,
Doug is right... not much out there for engine mods on the 2.6
The quad exhaust on Wiedermann's AMG C32 is way TOO much for your C240. Don't want to discourage you, but that's a C55 AMG exhaust set up for an AMG C32. Whole different game.
Rims: go with 18" on the sedan. If you really want a drop, I would say go with a Coilover H&R kit or H&R Cup Kit or Carlsson sport set-up. Too much of a drop on a sedan just doesn't look right, and having driven around in So Florida, you know those rain ditches and curbs will mess up your car (& 19" rims) real fast.
Must do's: AMG C32 brake kit / Bi-Xenon lights / COMAND (Euro or US)
The rest is all "looks": grill, bulbs, interior, rim type, body kits, spoilers. Go with what you like best and what looks good on your car. Those are normally the things that set a car apart from other MB mods.
Now with all that said, be prepared to pay a whole lot of $$$$. Those high-end mods listed at top, are in the thousands (Bi-X, COMAND, quad exhaust, name-brand rims),
some of the other things (C32 AMG brakes, H&R springs, and "look" add-ons) will run in the hundreds. Be careful, because MODDING is very addictive, and once you start noticing other modded MB's out there, you get hooked !
Not discouraging you, but just letting you know that it might be tough on a college/student budget.
above all, have fun !
Carlos
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Doug is right... not much out there for engine mods on the 2.6
The quad exhaust on Wiedermann's AMG C32 is way TOO much for your C240. Don't want to discourage you, but that's a C55 AMG exhaust set up for an AMG C32. Whole different game.
Rims: go with 18" on the sedan. If you really want a drop, I would say go with a Coilover H&R kit or H&R Cup Kit or Carlsson sport set-up. Too much of a drop on a sedan just doesn't look right, and having driven around in So Florida, you know those rain ditches and curbs will mess up your car (& 19" rims) real fast.
Must do's: AMG C32 brake kit / Bi-Xenon lights / COMAND (Euro or US)
The rest is all "looks": grill, bulbs, interior, rim type, body kits, spoilers. Go with what you like best and what looks good on your car. Those are normally the things that set a car apart from other MB mods.
Now with all that said, be prepared to pay a whole lot of $$$$. Those high-end mods listed at top, are in the thousands (Bi-X, COMAND, quad exhaust, name-brand rims),
some of the other things (C32 AMG brakes, H&R springs, and "look" add-ons) will run in the hundreds. Be careful, because MODDING is very addictive, and once you start noticing other modded MB's out there, you get hooked !
Not discouraging you, but just letting you know that it might be tough on a college/student budget.
above all, have fun !
Carlos
Saprissa@aol.com
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Nobody has mentioned the cheapest mod and one that makes a big diference, the flat hood badge for about $25. It changes the entire front and you don't have to wait until you paint the hood, put it on now and see the diference, it only takes about 5 minutes to change.
Also inexpensive are clear side markers, bulbs, etc... see my SIG and you'll get ideas of small things that make big diferences as a whole.
Also inexpensive are clear side markers, bulbs, etc... see my SIG and you'll get ideas of small things that make big diferences as a whole.
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Originally Posted by PRHeloPilot
Nobody has mentioned the cheapest mod and one that makes a big diference, the flat hood badge for about $25. It changes the entire front and you don't have to wait until you paint the hood, put it on now and see the diference, it only takes about 5 minutes to change.
Also inexpensive are clear side markers, bulbs, etc... see my SIG and you'll get ideas of small things that make big diferences as a whole.
Also inexpensive are clear side markers, bulbs, etc... see my SIG and you'll get ideas of small things that make big diferences as a whole.
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Originally Posted by Saprissa
brother TICO...
The quad exhaust on Wiedermann's AMG C32 is way TOO much for your C240. Don't want to discourage you, but that's a C55 AMG exhaust set up for an AMG C32. Whole different game.
Carlos
Saprissa@aol.com
The quad exhaust on Wiedermann's AMG C32 is way TOO much for your C240. Don't want to discourage you, but that's a C55 AMG exhaust set up for an AMG C32. Whole different game.
Carlos
Saprissa@aol.com
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Originally Posted by Wiedermann
Did somebody say "exhaust"...
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In the market
Originally Posted by Wide w203
yes ... mines has over 300hp and pulls like crazy.... =)
ing us? If not, how much cash did you have to dump into it to get your 300hp? It seems to me that if you want a performance oriented car, it might be more effective to trade the 240 in on an AMG or at the least a 320. Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by Brunelleschi
Are you ing us? If not, how much cash did you have to dump into it to get your 300hp?
It seems to me that if you want a performance oriented car, it might be more effective to trade the 240 in on an AMG or at the least a 320. Am I wrong?
ing us? If not, how much cash did you have to dump into it to get your 300hp? It seems to me that if you want a performance oriented car, it might be more effective to trade the 240 in on an AMG or at the least a 320. Am I wrong?
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engine mods for C240
Yes, there are performance enhancement mods for the C240 2.6L V6.
1) Air filters (like K&N) to improve air flow
2) Air boxes to improve air flow
Whether you actually get any performance gain from the above is questionable.
3) ECU upgrade (Powerchip, UPsolute, Renntech, Kleeman, etc). I have the Powerchip 91 ECU upgrade and I felt a noticeable improvement in acceleration when pressing the accelerator beyond half way, especially above 3000rpm. With gentle driving (below 3000 rmp), the car feels stock, except I don't have to press the accelerator as much to get the car going. Even my wife and brother noticed obvious changes to the car, especially when driving more aggressively. No, I don't have any dyno numbers. The advertised gain for my car was 15 HP and more importantly, 15 lb-ft torque, which brings it up to similar numbers as a stock C230K 1.8L (although the C230K gets max torque at much lower rpm's, compared to the peak torque being achieved at a relatively high 4700rpm in the C240).
4) Pulleys (Evosport). Don't know exactly how much gain you would get; MJ50 can probably fill you in on that.
5) Supercharger (Kleeman). I've considered this, and I may still consider this, especially after my warranty runs out. Advertised 260 HP and 240 lb-ft torque for the stage 1 package. Costs USD$9500.
6) Larger engine rebuild (Brabus). 3.8L V6 engine. 272 HP and 281 lb-ft torque. Costs USD$18400. This is definitely an option for the C320, not sure if they would do it to C240.
1) Air filters (like K&N) to improve air flow
2) Air boxes to improve air flow
Whether you actually get any performance gain from the above is questionable.
3) ECU upgrade (Powerchip, UPsolute, Renntech, Kleeman, etc). I have the Powerchip 91 ECU upgrade and I felt a noticeable improvement in acceleration when pressing the accelerator beyond half way, especially above 3000rpm. With gentle driving (below 3000 rmp), the car feels stock, except I don't have to press the accelerator as much to get the car going. Even my wife and brother noticed obvious changes to the car, especially when driving more aggressively. No, I don't have any dyno numbers. The advertised gain for my car was 15 HP and more importantly, 15 lb-ft torque, which brings it up to similar numbers as a stock C230K 1.8L (although the C230K gets max torque at much lower rpm's, compared to the peak torque being achieved at a relatively high 4700rpm in the C240).
4) Pulleys (Evosport). Don't know exactly how much gain you would get; MJ50 can probably fill you in on that.
5) Supercharger (Kleeman). I've considered this, and I may still consider this, especially after my warranty runs out. Advertised 260 HP and 240 lb-ft torque for the stage 1 package. Costs USD$9500.
6) Larger engine rebuild (Brabus). 3.8L V6 engine. 272 HP and 281 lb-ft torque. Costs USD$18400. This is definitely an option for the C320, not sure if they would do it to C240.
Last edited by PC Valkyrie; Jan 24, 2005 at 01:31 PM.
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Originally Posted by Wide w203
brabus wont do a 240, all thoes mods are a rip off. hundereds of dollars for 3-5 hp.... whats the point.
Hey, just trying to answer the person's question, because noone else seems to want to answer the question properly. Whether the gains are worth it is up to the individual. No need to bash or condemn.
We should all get C55AMG's if we can afford it.
