View Poll Results: Opinion of the Panorama Roof
The Panorama Roof is a Necessity
107
75.35%
Take it or Leave it, I don't care
12
8.45%
Forget it, Spend your money on a Pulley
23
16.20%
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CL203 Coupe Pano-roof Maintenance - MB lube Grease Part #s, gears, & fixes
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...alright I got the repair DVD...if I can manage to get it to work I will commence working on taking apart the sunroof...I will try to get a camera or a video to make a step by step video...but just doing a fledgling diagnostic...I think the motor needs to be replaced and I found a place that sells it for ~ $200...so I will see if I can take the headliner down and the old motor out then I will see how things go from there...I will be pissed if I can repair this for under 300.
But which motor? There are two. The one on the drivers side is the pano roof. The one on the passenger side is the sun shade.
I'm excited to hear about your results. I'd love to have the Pano roof working again. Been about two years since I closed it.
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2003 C230 Coupe
Thanks for the info!
I have found out that the whole shade must be replaced, you can''t just buy the clips. My only question is how hard would this be to replace? I am guessing the headliner will need to be removed.
I have found out that the whole shade must be replaced, you can''t just buy the clips. My only question is how hard would this be to replace? I am guessing the headliner will need to be removed.
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Black 02' C230
you found out wrong...I am running a thread on this problem and I have found those pesky clips...see my thread for the answer
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Black 02' C230
Oh I have spent too many hours trying to close that damn thing...I know which motor controls which...I am a lil tentative about shelling out the 200 beans for the new motor though first I wanna see if I can remove the old one and if I can take the damn headlines apart...it would be great if someone would post a DIY on removign the headliner...if not I will have to be that guy.
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I think that DIY exists if you look hard enough. Couldn't tell you where, and maybe not on this forums....google and the search button is your friend!
Might have happened as a byproduct of the install of a phone kit.
Might have happened as a byproduct of the install of a phone kit.
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Black 02' C230
Well my friends...due to the **** rain no work got done on the roof...however I was able to locate the directions on the DVD...unless it storm again here in sunny north FL that headliner and roof ar coming down...oh and I will be posting the directions online later this week incase someone else wants to take a crack at it...however it does ask me to remove one of the battery cables I wondering if this will screw something else up...don't worry you MB purist...I will search the board to see if there is any info on this.
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Well my friends...due to the **** rain no work got done on the roof...however I was able to locate the directions on the DVD...unless it storm again here in sunny north FL that headliner and roof ar coming down...oh and I will be posting the directions online later this week incase someone else wants to take a crack at it...however it does ask me to remove one of the battery cables I wondering if this will screw something else up...don't worry you MB purist...I will search the board to see if there is any info on this.
I for one have not had a problem.
This is what I do. I disconnect the ground cable at the
body. 12mm bolt I think.
I make sure the doors are closed etc., interiror lights turned off, so no lights are on, so not drawing much current. When putting it back on, do so quickly. You'll get a small spark, but you want to do it quickly and make good contact to avoid to much sparking, which creates spikes, which could cause problems.
It's worked for me so far.
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Black 02' C230
There's a long post on things that have happened to people on disconnecting the battery.
I for one have not had a problem.
This is what I do. I disconnect the ground cable at the
body. 12mm bolt I think.
I make sure the doors are closed etc., interiror lights turned off, so no lights are on, so not drawing much current. When putting it back on, do so quickly. You'll get a small spark, but you want to do it quickly and make good contact to avoid to much sparking, which creates spikes, which could cause problems.
It's worked for me so far.
I for one have not had a problem.
This is what I do. I disconnect the ground cable at the
body. 12mm bolt I think.
I make sure the doors are closed etc., interiror lights turned off, so no lights are on, so not drawing much current. When putting it back on, do so quickly. You'll get a small spark, but you want to do it quickly and make good contact to avoid to much sparking, which creates spikes, which could cause problems.
It's worked for me so far.
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Black 02' C230
Once again...
...my apologies I was unable to take the headliner and roof apart...threw my back out at the gym and had to go to the ER...I wish I could tell I was benching like 300 lbs and it was too much but I only went to catch a bball and bam back spasms...so no roof work for a few weeks...I will try to pos tthe instrustions online for anyone who is interested
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2002 Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe
C230 Coupe Panoramic sunroof problems!
Hello all,
I have a 2002 C230 Coupe with the panoramic sunroof. A couple of months ago my sunroof quite working. The sunshade goes back and forth but requires you to press on it for it to roll all the way back without bunching up. It seems a little Once the sunshade reaches the point where the sunroof should open the button just clicks. There are no noises coming from the sunroof like it's off track or something. My local dealership is especially evil so I would rather not take it there. Thanks in advance for any help.
I have a 2002 C230 Coupe with the panoramic sunroof. A couple of months ago my sunroof quite working. The sunshade goes back and forth but requires you to press on it for it to roll all the way back without bunching up. It seems a little Once the sunshade reaches the point where the sunroof should open the button just clicks. There are no noises coming from the sunroof like it's off track or something. My local dealership is especially evil so I would rather not take it there. Thanks in advance for any help.
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1959 220S / 1979 230 G / 2002 A210 AMG / 2003 C320 SC / 2004.5 C320 SS / 2005 ML350 SE / 2008 smart
unless you know how to take apart the entire pano-sunroof and then put it back together, there may be no other option than to take it to a dealer and prepare to pay $$$$K.
Your 4th sentence doesn't make sense, so it's hard to understand where the problem is. The sunshade itself, or the sunroof, or both?
I routinely (almost daily) use my pano-roof. Other than routine lubrication and cleaning, never had a problem with it. However, one day I took my Coupe in for Service B, and my SA called me to say that there was a linkage arm broken inside the assembly. Other than a very subtle "click" noise, I had no idea something was broken in there. The pano-roof opened and closed smoothly. The SA said that eventually, (maybe) it would have caused it to jam. I prepared for what would have been thousands of $$ in repair cost. However, it was covered under warranty. I'm so glad I got that extended MB warranty to 100,000 miles.
Carlos
Saprissa
Your 4th sentence doesn't make sense, so it's hard to understand where the problem is. The sunshade itself, or the sunroof, or both?
I routinely (almost daily) use my pano-roof. Other than routine lubrication and cleaning, never had a problem with it. However, one day I took my Coupe in for Service B, and my SA called me to say that there was a linkage arm broken inside the assembly. Other than a very subtle "click" noise, I had no idea something was broken in there. The pano-roof opened and closed smoothly. The SA said that eventually, (maybe) it would have caused it to jam. I prepared for what would have been thousands of $$ in repair cost. However, it was covered under warranty. I'm so glad I got that extended MB warranty to 100,000 miles.
Carlos
Saprissa
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2002 Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe
My sunshade does go back and forth but once it is rolled up that's it. Usually that is where the sunroof would start to open but nothing happens. The button itself clicks. The sunshade is actually a little loose and when it rolls up by itself it bunches at the end. If you press on the fabric to create tension it rolls up fine.
If no one can help with ideas then I plan on buying the service DVD and doing it myself. I bought my car used and I plan to do all the work myself...the service A and B and most things the car needs are ENTIRELY too easy to pay an inflated price for a "Mercedes-Tech" to do.
Thanks for the help!
If no one can help with ideas then I plan on buying the service DVD and doing it myself. I bought my car used and I plan to do all the work myself...the service A and B and most things the car needs are ENTIRELY too easy to pay an inflated price for a "Mercedes-Tech" to do.
Thanks for the help!
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Search the forums for a multi-part IMS installation guide. It gives detailed instructions (with great photos) on removing the headliner, which will expose the sunshade/pano mechanisms.
There are a lot of posts regarding broken coupe sunroofs, but I haven't read any regarding a successful repair.
If you do tackle this one, take some pictures and show us what you've done.
There are a lot of posts regarding broken coupe sunroofs, but I haven't read any regarding a successful repair.
If you do tackle this one, take some pictures and show us what you've done.
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Black 02' C230
Hello all,
I have a 2002 C230 Coupe with the panoramic sunroof. A couple of months ago my sunroof quite working. The sunshade goes back and forth but requires you to press on it for it to roll all the way back without bunching up. It seems a little Once the sunshade reaches the point where the sunroof should open the button just clicks. There are no noises coming from the sunroof like it's off track or something. My local dealership is especially evil so I would rather not take it there. Thanks in advance for any help.
I have a 2002 C230 Coupe with the panoramic sunroof. A couple of months ago my sunroof quite working. The sunshade goes back and forth but requires you to press on it for it to roll all the way back without bunching up. It seems a little Once the sunshade reaches the point where the sunroof should open the button just clicks. There are no noises coming from the sunroof like it's off track or something. My local dealership is especially evil so I would rather not take it there. Thanks in advance for any help.
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2002 Mercedes C230 Kompressor Coupe
I know, I can't imagine a German company like Mercedes-Benz making such an inferior product as a sunroof. I have a "beater" 1990 Subaru Legacy wagon that has a sunroof and it has always worked fine without the need to grease anything. I think it might be a plot by Mercedes to punish you for not bringing it to them for service.
If I do fix my problem I will definitely take some pictures and log "easy" directions for removal of the headliner.
If I do fix my problem I will definitely take some pictures and log "easy" directions for removal of the headliner.
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W203
STF, there is a successful sunroof repair thread on here.
Here's something to try:
- Get out the large Z-shaped allen key (should be in the owners manual)
- Pop off the sunroof/lighting control panel (STF for directions)
- Turn the manual override gear for the roof to see if it opens
(BTW all these instructions are in your owner's manual, with pics!)
If it opens, you're in luck, its either the motor or the gear on the motor that has failed and you can replace them.
If its stuck, something mechanical is broken in the roof guides, good luck taking apart the whole roof! I'd personally live with it closed.
Here's something to try:
- Get out the large Z-shaped allen key (should be in the owners manual)
- Pop off the sunroof/lighting control panel (STF for directions)
- Turn the manual override gear for the roof to see if it opens
(BTW all these instructions are in your owner's manual, with pics!)
If it opens, you're in luck, its either the motor or the gear on the motor that has failed and you can replace them.
If its stuck, something mechanical is broken in the roof guides, good luck taking apart the whole roof! I'd personally live with it closed.
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C230 coupe
I am new to the C230 coupe and the sunroof worked great when I bought it a few days ago. Now, it opens fine. When I try closing it, it grinds and does not move unless I help it by holding the button to 'close' and push the sunroof forward.
It feels like the gear could be stripped? I first noticed it after having it open on a hot day (thought maybe the grease dried up).
I want to lube the mechanism, do you think this might help? Which grease should I use? Does the MB dealer sell it?
Thanks in advance
02 C230 Coupe
It feels like the gear could be stripped? I first noticed it after having it open on a hot day (thought maybe the grease dried up).
I want to lube the mechanism, do you think this might help? Which grease should I use? Does the MB dealer sell it?
Thanks in advance
02 C230 Coupe
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2010 GLK
I have finished the repair of a pano roof and have pictures
I completed the repair of my daughter's c230 stuck pano roof. Like emrliquidlife, I had a worn gear in the glass drive motor. Root cause seemed to be the lack of good lubrication and cleaning of the other mechanisms in the pano roof ie:rails, cable, track, etc. If somebody can tell me how to post pictures I'll get cracking on documenting my adventure for the rest of you.
Motor wasn't cheap ($304), grease was $87 but was not in stock so I picked up a grease from Pep Boys for $7.99.
Any questions, fire away while it is still fresh in my head.
Motor wasn't cheap ($304), grease was $87 but was not in stock so I picked up a grease from Pep Boys for $7.99.
Any questions, fire away while it is still fresh in my head.
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W203
Why did you buy a new motor? Is the gear not available?
What grease did you buy? I clean the panoramic roof (rails, pop-up, ...) every 6 months and spray it with silicon lubricant, so far no issues after 6 years of ownership.
What grease did you buy? I clean the panoramic roof (rails, pop-up, ...) every 6 months and spray it with silicon lubricant, so far no issues after 6 years of ownership.
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From: Gainesville, FL
Black 02' C230
same here...man I am glad someone got this post started...now once he adds the pics and DIY I see this getting bumped up and given a fresh title by the MODS...btw if I swing my car by do you want to install my motor too.
